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[Removal/Change] H@H Downloader, For people who run H@H |
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Mar 13 2016, 17:26
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Tenboro
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With the new resampling system, the H@H Downloader will currently only download original images for new galleries, rather than the old resamples. While galleries uploaded prior to a couple of days ago will still be using the resamples from the old system, those will be phased out over the next few months in favor of resamples from the new one.
Similar to the proxy functionality, with the addition of static ranges, using the Downloader will likely be detrimental to a client if the cache is close to full. And with the resample change, this effect will be exacerbated since the files downloaded will tend to be larger.
As such, if the H@H Downloader functionality were to remain, I would have to rework it to use the new resampler. While this would probably be feasible, my preferred solution would be to phase it out entirely and instead make it so that running H@H gives you free archive downloads similar to what you'd get for donations.
The archivers have plenty of capacity, and this both reduces complexity and completely avoids the problem where files downloaded with H@H will overflow the cache and make it discard actually useful files. I am also considering adding an archiving option for at least one tier of resamples, probably the 1280x one, for people who don't care about "absurd resolution" images.
So, for those of you who use this, would there be any reasons why you would want H@H to handle the downloading rather than have it give you free archive downloads instead?
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Mar 13 2016, 18:33
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Maximum_Joe
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I know I've loved the feature (3,000+ hathdl downloaded). That being said if the client rewarded free archive DLs I'd have zero objections.
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Mar 13 2016, 22:19
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blue penguin
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Mar 13 2016, 15:26) I am also considering adding an archiving option for at least one tier of resamples, probably the 1280x one, for people who don't care about "absurd resolution" images. I have been asking for this for years! I'm not running H@H for more than a year so i'm not sure if my answer can be considered, but here goes nothing: The only three times i used the H@H downloader was for the purpose of getting the image resamples. The galleries were too big (+3GBs) to waste disk space on, i used the H@H downloader to get the resonably sized resamples (~300MBs). It saved me several CPU cycles to resize the images myself. If we get an archiver for resamples i will have no use for the H@H downloader.
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Mar 14 2016, 02:26
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Chunga
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I think I have used the H@H Downloader 2 or 3 times since I been running the client (1+ year), if I want to download anything is usually for my personal collection so I always use the archives feature considering I keep everything zipped.
In my case I don't mind if you phase out the the old system and instead provide free archives for those that run the client but can't/wont donate.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:25
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soliloquy
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Would this add onto donators who already get free archives?
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Mar 14 2016, 03:41
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mike23
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It's much easier to automate with H@H handling the downloads. Since I always have it running, it's convenient to let it do the downloads over time as well.
I probably use H@H downloader more than almost anyone and it doesn't seem to hurt my scores. Currently sitting at 1000/10000 with 25gb+ downloaded in the past couple days.
If the number of free archive downloads was around 5-40 per day, it probably wouldn't be worth it for me personally to keep running H@H.
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Mar 14 2016, 11:42
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Sapo84
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Never used downloader myself (I run H@H on a dedicated server so no point is using it), would be super-happy to see it converted to free archives Moreover I think the hit-rate/static ranges are slowly decreasing so it would not be helpful to keep features that would fill the cache with the original images (which are big and probably not often requested).
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Mar 14 2016, 12:37
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karyl123
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Mar 13 2016, 22:26) I am also considering adding an archiving option for at least one tier of resamples, probably the 1280x one, for people who don't care about "absurd resolution" images.
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Mar 14 2016, 12:41
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karyl123
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Mar 14 2016, 03:19) I have been asking for this for years!
I'm not running H@H for more than a year so i'm not sure if my answer can be considered, but here goes nothing: The only three times i used the H@H downloader was for the purpose of getting the image resamples. The galleries were too big (+3GBs) to waste disk space on, i used the H@H downloader to get the resonably sized resamples (~300MBs). It saved me several CPU cycles to resize the images myself.
If we get an archiver for resamples i will have no use for the H@H downloader.
bruh, do you know what jpeg quality the 1280x currently use ? i personally download everything (absurd archive size) then convert it to jpeg quality 75. I dont know how to see jpeg quality,
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Mar 14 2016, 16:45
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pwet
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I'm absolutely in favor of this. I mainly download archives and never used the downloader feature. Do you already have an estimate of how much free archives we would get?
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Mar 14 2016, 18:01
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blue penguin
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QUOTE(karyl123 @ Mar 14 2016, 10:41) bruh, do you know what jpeg quality the 1280x currently use ? I was curious as well, and asked Tenb. Se here: /index.php?showt...p;#entry4399078
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Mar 14 2016, 20:37
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Tenboro
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QUOTE(pwet @ Mar 14 2016, 15:45) Do you already have an estimate of how much free archives we would get?
It would depend on the hitrate of the clients, as it does today. I would try to set it so that, considering it adds the option of getting originals, you couldn't justly make the case that they lost anything. As part of that whole thing I'd probably change the free quota from a number of archives to a number of MB, converted based on what the average downloaded archive size is today.
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Mar 15 2016, 02:50
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mozilla browser
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Bruh. Time to start downloading multi-gb archives with the free doggie bags.
One time pain for long term gain.
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Mar 15 2016, 04:01
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Panuru
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I exclusively use the H@H download for basically the reason mike said - it's easy to grab the hathdl file and walk away. Replacing that as a download in the browser and an unzip is only slightly more of a hassle.
As long as free remains free, I only have a weak objection of preference.
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Mar 16 2016, 22:14
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lotto09
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Mar 13 2016, 22:26) I am also considering adding an archiving option for at least one tier of resamples, probably the 1280x one, for people who don't care about "absurd resolution" images.
Pretty please
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Mar 18 2016, 04:00
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Amalyne
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I'm in favor of getting free downloads for running H@H. I used the hathdl a few times and stopped when I realized they were re-samples. Generally when I download and archive the galleries I want the high resolution files being neatly zipped up anyways so what I've been doing is selling the hath gained from H@H into credits and buying GP to download the galleries. Getting free downloads for running H@H lessens the need to convert hath into gp which I am in favor of.
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Mar 18 2016, 21:22
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G Just G
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Please make this change! I would love to get an archive down loader equivalent from H@H.
One question: Will this also increase the limit of files on the H@H network to be above 10MB?
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Mar 18 2016, 22:02
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Tenboro
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QUOTE(G Just G @ Mar 18 2016, 20:22) One question: Will this also increase the limit of files on the H@H network to be above 10MB?
It's likely that the site will support >10MB files before H@H does, and at that point, the downloader would break without additional work. Which is one of the reasons I'm looking at removing it.
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Mar 18 2016, 23:33
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Dynellen
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Since H@H doesn't allow me to download full resolution images I've never seriously used the feature, especially since it's way slower to download with than the direct download or torrents.
So no, I have zero objections in removing the feature.
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Mar 19 2016, 01:44
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G Just G
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Oh, I misread this. I prefer the H@H downloader as a feature to remain. I currently have 43,235 .hathdl files on my machine with roughly 39,220 unique galleries currently downloaded through the hath downloader.
I find the download feature to be the only way to pull large quantities of galleries from E-Hentai without tripping the excessive page load warnings/bans as I can balance out my hathdl files across 7 H@H clients.
Would it be possible to just change what the downloader is retrieving? Could it pull the zip archive from the site instead of loading each gallery image? This way the downloaded file never loads into cache and just ends up in the downloaded directory of H@H. As you already have the token request system in place it shouldn't be that hard to change what you're pointing at to create an archive sent/request.
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