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post Sep 29 2017, 10:14
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jplshejeser, could you do something about your sig? Like compacting images and/or reducing the amount of animated GIFs you're using, please?

BlueWaterSplash, in case you write quite a bit, could you please add a brief summary at the start/end of your post? Something like the tl;dr you see every now and then

Everyone else involved: in case you quote long posts, could you please replace the content with 'snip', leaving only a meaningful sentence or whatever else, together with the reference to the original post? Just not quote the original walltext

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post Sep 29 2017, 11:31
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So, should I stick with my axe and just rake in the better exp/credits/rewards of arenas for now? Should I work on this legendary shortsword, then hold onto it for a nice long time instead? Or should I do something else?.

Choosing between these three weapons - I would better stick with shortsword. Rapier is bad (no hard feelings), sword too (only 24% attacks), but at least it has parry (plus to your survival).
1H/Heavy, imho, should care only about four stats: ADB (more damage - is better, obviously), parry (more parry - more counterattacks and less damage received), block (more block - more counterattacks and less damage received), crits (both % and overall damage) - in long-term only there four are valuable.
1. ADB you get from your weapon and equipment with ~slaughter~ suffixes;
2. Parry you get from shortsword/rapier;
3. Block you get from shields and equipment with ~shielding~ prefix;
4. Crits you get from equipment with ~savage~ prefix;

The only reason why Rapier is prefer to Shortsword is because they have "Penetrated Armor" proc, which decreases enemy's defense. Shortsword has "Bleeding Wound" proc, which just deals an extra damage to your enemies that is just miserably on higher difficulties.
It is not like rapiers would deal more damage, but they will help you kill enemies faster. You can, however, play with shortsword pretty good, but it will just takes long time to kill enemies at higher difficulties.

So, yeah, finding the best rapier you can afford is your high priority, but until then - that shortsword would be enought - just do not jump higher your head with it =)

btw, there was a talk few days ago that maxed out AXE is better than maxed out rapier - however it was just a proof of concept, not the detailed research, so rapier might not be best weapon ever for 1H/heavy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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jplshejeser, could you do something about your sig? Like compacting images and/or reducing the amount of animated GIFs you're using, please?

Double that. I am browsing the forum with signatures/avatars turned off and decided to check your signatures in profile.
Oh my - sooooo much images and place have been taken %)
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post Sep 29 2017, 12:46
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No, IW is not easy at all at your level. Even with a good Mag Force Shield, it's still very hard. Don't compare your performance in EoD and ED with what you get in IW, because:
1) You have less monsters to deal with at once
2) SGs are harmless HP bags, so they practically count only as half a monster damage-wise
3) IW monsters are super duper buffed.

You're basically playing 1H with the worst weapon type possible for 1H. Sell your axe, yes that kind of weapon is not suit to play 1H due to the total absence of parry, which is a vital stat to survive. Sell your Sup Rapier too, you shouldn't have any Superior stuff in your equipment anymore.
I confirm that a Legendary shortsword/wakizashi will always be better than a Mag rapier at your level. The shortsword you're trying to IW will last you for a while. Probably for 30-40 levels or so. I have something very similar: a shortsword of balance that I used until lvl320 or so. Even now I'm using another shortsword, though with way better stats.

Don't forget that some players run IW services for some price. That might be interesting for someone in your case. Once you got your shortswrd IWed, stick with it for heck a damn while. It'll probably last roughly for as long as mine.

It's simply not possible for someone of your level to go in IW IWBTH/PFUDOR without having at least a very good Mag Force Shield, a shitload of scrolls, draughts and potions and even elixirs. And even then I'm not even sure you can make it.
Considering you do can do it with a lot of struggle, you practically need to:
1) Cast Silence, Sleep and Weaken to as many monsters as possible in the beginning of every round. Silence will prevent the monsters from using their overkill MP/SP attacks (you know, those that wipe off your entire HP bar in a single attack if you didn't have spirit shield), Sleep will prevent them from attacking at all (that's not the best for 1H, but you can't cast Silence twice in a row) and Weaken will have a similar result than Silence.
2) Renew them whenever it's needed.
3) Spam the mana potions because you'll be using a shitload of mana.
4) Have all draughts buffs ON constantly.
5) Pick off one monster after another instead of balancing their HP bars liek you're used to. You simply want to keep their numbers in a manageable amount ASAP in every round.

But again, even when doing all of this, I'm not sure you can survive 80+ rounds of IW if you're already having big trouble after 40. Because that's what typically awaits you for every Legendary equipment. 100 rounds for a Peerless.

While I'm at it: casting Silence on SGs is very wrong. Just stab them to death after a good Imperil and call it a day. Their attacks are weak, comparatively to what PL1200+ monsters can do. They are the real threat in this game, not the SGs.

The last but not the least: you don't need a rapier at your level. Not even at mine (even though I did buy one). I did a test when I was Lvl330, and I calculated that a rapier multiplies the damage dealt only by 2 on average after dealing the 3 stacks of penetrated armor. So it's barely any better than what I obtain with a shortsword of the same ADB percentage. That is, I'm not counting the fact that the counterattacks hit harder when having a shortsword, due to the base damage being higher.

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This here is a good advice. I'll just sum it up for every <Lvl300 in the fewest words possible:
1) Don't bother IWing an ethereal weapon if you're not going to use it for a long while.
2) Don't IW a weapon that is only slightly better than your current one. Keep it as long as possible and replace it once you got something that represents a significant buff in the overall damage. IW is a long, tedious, exhausting experience, even more if you want to get the best potencies possible. You don't want to do that all the damn time.
3) Don't forget that while soulfusing may look interesting to make the IW faster, it will make your weapon untradeable. If you don't soulfuse it and it ends up obsolete for you at some point, your IW10 weapon can be sold for a nice price to a lower level player.
4) Don't bother IWing or soulfusing shields or armor at all. The advantages are meager, next to negligible. It's only for high level players.


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The stuff about maxxed out Axe being better than a rapier is only about raw damage and clearing speed. It doesn't take into account the survivability, which is mediocre in the case of an axe. Consider the usage of Axes as some kind of "high damage high risk" material accessible only to top tier players.

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post Sep 29 2017, 13:02
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help , inee d aafdvice please

i play 1 h

is it ideal to always enchanting featherwireddght shards on all my equipment?

is this economical?
beaacuse i always enchant featherweght


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post Sep 29 2017, 13:08
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Don't use featherweight shards while playing 1H. It "buffs" your evade. Unless you're (way) above 70 burden and using shards will bring you closer to it.
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post Sep 29 2017, 13:12
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decondelite so i should just rely solely on mana potions and mana elixirs now?

are you stating that the usage of mana potion and elixirs is more economical than feathering all my equipment ?
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post Sep 29 2017, 13:12
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is it ideal to always enchanting featherwireddght shards on all my equipment?

If you have burden higher than 70 - then you may use few shards to lower it below <70, otherwise it is not necessary at all.
I, personally, never ever used shards to lower down my burden at regular basis.
Currently I have 66,6 burden.
Yeap, three six, I know, hail satan and such.

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post Sep 29 2017, 13:17
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hey experts how can i get past round 30 of grindfest? im using dw and plate gears and my abilities are ok i think, my current difficulty is hell, i just want to finish that 1000 rounds any tips?
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post Sep 29 2017, 13:18
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got it

ok thank you f4tal and decondelite

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post Sep 29 2017, 13:19
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QUOTE(jplshejeser @ Sep 29 2017, 13:12) *

decondelite so i should just rely solely on mana potions and mana elixirs now?

are you stating that the usage of mana potion and elixirs is more economical than feathering all my equipment ?


You can use feather weight however you want IF it doesn't increase your evade.
1H at your level has no need for elixirs. Even mana potion usage should be minimal unless you spam Imperil.

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hey experts how can i get past round 30 of grindfest? im using dw and plate gears and my abilities are ok i think, my current difficulty is hell, i just want to finish that 1000 rounds any tips?


You don't. Don't bother grindfest unless you are a very high level player with ultra strong build. You will be brutally slaughtered. For now you should concentrate on leveling up by playing as many random encounters as you can.

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post Sep 29 2017, 13:20
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I got 60 burden on my 1H build and if I could I'd raise it.
As for the usage of shards... yeah just use scrolls, draughts, potions, whetever, that'll still be more useful than simply throwing shards that will have next to no effect on your efficiency.
Shards are to be used for Light builds or for Heavy 2H, both of which benefit from a burden as close to 0 as possible. Or even mages, for their staff that still has some burden.

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post Sep 29 2017, 13:24
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CryXelis

i have never even got past 400 rounds of normal difficulty of grindfest

but if you have 3.x t/s to 4 t/s and huge block by using a force shield with huge block chance and all heavy shielding plates maybe you could do it

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post Sep 29 2017, 13:29
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You don't. Don't bother grindfest unless you are a very high level player with ultra strong build. You will be brutally slaughtered. For now you should concentrate on leveling up by playing as many random encounters as you can.


oh i see i thought that was possible for my level thanks
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post Sep 29 2017, 13:33
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CryXelis

i have never even got past 400 rounds of normal difficulty of grindfest

but if you have 3.x t/s to 4 t/s and huge block by using a force shield with huge block chance and all heavy shielding plates maybe you could do it


i never thought grindfest was that tough lol im still newb thanks tho
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post Sep 29 2017, 13:43
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hey experts how can i get past round 30 of grindfest? im using dw and plate gears and my abilities are ok i think, my current difficulty is hell, i just want to finish that 1000 rounds any tips?

1000 rounds of Grindfest at your level 96?
It is too soon for you, even on normal. The catch is - monster's power is increasing with every round, so eventually by the round 600 you will fight with Nintendo-like monsters.
Do not try to jump higher you head =)
Hell, when last time I tried to do GF at PFUDOR - monsters killed me near round 800 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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i never thought grindfest was that tough lol im still newb thanks tho

No, nothing bad at all =)
It is just sounds astonishingly cool, brave and reckless to being able to clear Grindfest at level 96 even on normal difficulty. =)
I think, with best setup you can afford right now you can clear up to round 50. With "bestest" setup and incredibly luck ever. More likely round 30-35.

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are you stating that the usage of mana potion and elixirs is more economical than feathering all my equipment ?

Yes - just using mana potions is way easier way to handle with MP cost.
If you are wasting too many MP, then instead of using featherweight shards, do the following:
1. Increase your WIS stats (more MP);
2. Buy Innate Arcane (IA) perks (with every level your MP reduction for auto-casted spells would be decreased a little);
3. Buy Effluent Ether (EE) hath perk (+10% MP);
4. Check that you maxed out your "MP Tank" and "Better Mana Pots" abilities (more MP and more effective using of draughts and potions).

With that setup and additions you should not care about MP at all.

For example, I have 400 WIS, IA5, EE and maxed out abilities, and during the battle I am using, mostly, Mana draught to keep my MP at max and very rarely Mana Potions when my MP below 50%, I don't remember when I used Mana Elixir last time.

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post Sep 29 2017, 13:48
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thanks for helping me f4tal

ill definitely do waht you said right now if save up enorugh money
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post Sep 29 2017, 13:48
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QUOTE(CryXelis @ Sep 29 2017, 13:17) *
hey experts how can i get past round 30 of grindfest? im using dw and plate gears and my abilities are ok i think, my current difficulty is hell, i just want to finish that 1000 rounds any tips?

Sub lvl 100 generally won't be able to finish 1000 round of grind fest. At any difficulty. But hey, let's give advice so you can reach round 100.
1. Utilize DW parry bonus. look for offhand weapon that have good parry.
2. The key is to manage amount of enemy per round to survive, so buff out your overcharge by the end of each round, activate spirit stance, and dish out punishment at the begining of next round. (Master spirit stance, if it available to you).
3. what's your plate suffixes? focus on 'of protection.' it helps, a bit.
4. choose a good weapon to kill fast or choose a weapon that help you survive. bleeding weapon is prefered to kill fast, stunning weapon is for safety. penetrated armor is meh at your level.

I know you haven't unlock that many arena, and don't always have token for ring of blood, so grindfest might be the only way for you stave off boredom until tomorrow.
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post Sep 29 2017, 13:57
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so grindfest might be the only way for you stave off boredom until tomorrow

Ohh, yes - that is the reason, I suppose.
Then you should play more Random Encounters. They give you more EXP, more credits and better drops. =)

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But hey, let's give advice so you can reach round 100.

To be fair, I doubt anyone below level 100 without good, say, magnificent equipment, may clean any round higher 50 in grindfest.
But, hey, I would be glad and happy if anyone will =)

The main problem with Grindfest at low levels, I think, is the amount of monsters. Already near round 40 player will fight with 6+ monsters at once and at round 80 he might fight with 8+ at once.
It is just too much for low-levers (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Sep 29 2017, 13:57
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f4tal do you have your armors double potencied as juggernatiut+capat\ctior? and if you dont' have them right now, do you plan on doing so in the future?

i also forgot to state that my playstyle permanently relies on spamming imperil because of slow 0.8t/s

with alll my mana pool issues is it also ideal for me to iw service all my armor to double potency armors wit jug+capacitor ?
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f4tal do you have your armors double potencied as juggernatiut+capat\ctior?

There are my equipment:
Legendary Shocking Rapier of Slaughter (0) Soulbound, IW 10, forged 25, ADB 32%, Parry 55%
Legendary Zircon Force Shield of Protection (0) Soulbound, Str End Agi, IW 10, forged 40, BLK 83%
Legendary Cobalt Power Helmet of Warding (0) Soulbound, IW 10, forged 5, ADB 90%
Legendary Savage Power Armor of Slaughter (0) Soulbound, IW 10, forged 17, ADB 65%
Legendary Savage Power Gauntlets of Slaughter (0) Soulbound, IW 10, forged 20, ADB 24%
Legendary Savage Power Leggings of Warding (0) Soulbound, IW 10, forged 5, ADB 96%
Legendary Cobalt Power Boots of Warding (0) Soulbound, IW 10, forged 5, ADB 68%
, no i don't aim to get Capacitor at all - if I got one - it is good, if no - nothing wrong with it.
Same for Juggernaut.
Currently I have 29,965 HP and 1,957 MP

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i also forgot to state that my playstyle permanently relies on spamming imperil because of slow 0.8t/s

Try different browser. maybe another browser will speed things a little for you?

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with alll my mana pool issues is it also ideal for me to iw service all my armor to double potency armors wit jug+capacitor ?

Getting high juggernaut/capacitor potency on equipment may cost very much (even million). Maybe you should buy above mentioned perks first?
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