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Just make two new posts in this format and I'll split them accordingly:

Post 1 -

CODE

*tag A name*
Type: *something*
Description: *something*
Gender: *something*

*Examples for tag A*

Post 2 -

CODE

*tag B name*
Type: *something*
Description: *something*
Gender: *something*

*Examples for tag B*

We don't even have a proper definition for these two tags. I would suggest figuring that out first before dumping more examples.

I only really care about the one tag so I'll just make a setup for that.

internal urination
Type: Activity / Visual
Sub-Type: Waste
Description: Urine of another participant lingering inside any orifice besides a mouth. Usually includes the release of urine after.
Note: Requires the urination tag. Remember the presence rule.
Gender: The gender of the one being urinated inside determines if the tag is placed in the female or male namespace.
Japanese: 膣内放尿

Examples:
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1300998/5b8d77a2fb/ 12-14
http://ehentaihip.com/g/18271/712ed9fe71/ 5-8
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1148793/76d725b033/ 13-21
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1048939/639310408d/ 7-8
http://ehentaihip.com/g/934732/d72dfc9a15/ 19-24
http://ehentaihip.com/g/71712/e62f0c2569/?p=1 23-34

(Edited to remove entries failing to meet presence, and to update the tag definition)

This post has been edited by Keltzar: Apr 11 2021, 04:38

Please recheck your examples, many of them don't meet the presence requirement.
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Gallery_Tagging#Presence

Also, the tag should require urination, just as piss drinking.

I'm somewhat unclear on the presence rules. It states that the baseline is 25% of image count in a 20 page gallery, but it says that sequential images lower the burden. There's nothing specifying exactly how much lower the burden is though. I would like to have some sense of more explicitly how much it is supposed to lower the burden, otherwise I feel like I am trying to meet a particular guideline without knowing what it is.

Also, it mentions that in anthologies that 4+ sequential images is enough but what if you have 4 sequential pages in a single chapter of a longer work? You could end up with a weird situation where, if the chapters were uploaded separately as opposed to a single gallery, then you could apply the tag to the last chapter but you could not to the combined gallery.

When proposing a tag, it's best just to look for a hard ~25% of a gallery containing the content so there aren't any issues with presence. Or for example, ~7 sequential pages out of 30 might suffice. There aren't exact numbers attached to presence because it does not scale in a linear way.

Also, it mentions that in anthologies that 4+ sequential images is enough but what if you have 4 sequential pages in a single chapter of a longer work? You could end up with a weird situation where, if the chapters were uploaded separately as opposed to a single gallery, then you could apply the tag to the last chapter but you could not to the combined gallery.

That's only for tagging artist in anthologies, not fetishes.

Alright, here's an example that would pass then.
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1125975/53a3eb8fd3/ 4-10

Now, when the notes say 20+ sequential pictures are generally acceptable, does that mean it needs to be a single string of 20+ images in a row featuring the tag? I have the gallery
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1220089/1b04f25373/?p=1 25-33, 69-73, 77-83 (though this is just the previous doujin linked above).

So there are over 20 pages spread across 3 sequences. Each of these, were the chapters to be uploaded individually rather than as the whole tankoubon, would pass the presence test. Would this then count as a reasonable example passing presence?

Here's a couple more examples

http://ehentaihip.com/g/1875953/8c289b089f/ 14-17 (23.5% but all sequential images)
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1073902/1123714338/ 17-20 (20%, all sequential, focus of the work)
http://ehentaihip.com/g/258507/4f351ad702/ 11-15
http://ehentaihip.com/g/360359/e1a155f4c0/ 16-20
http://ehentaihip.com/g/620187/4612ab8ecf/ 3-8
http://ehentaihip.com/g/649229/60265415a9/ 9-11, 19-21.
http://ehentaihip.com/g/732163/6e0e9a56e4/ 10-19
http://ehentaihip.com/g/933783/fbca75d71a/ 3, 6, 9, 12
http://ehentaihip.com/g/978466/325cd5f41b/ 12-16
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1692523/2d0bd1e857/ 20-24 (20% of all noncredits pages but all sequential images)

Do I need to find any more examples or to clarify anything more in the tag suggestion?

This post has been edited by Keltzar: Apr 2 2021, 01:52

One last example here.

http://ehentaihip.com/g/564336/e528c5d26c/ 16-22 (26% of non-credits or repeat pages)

Does anyone have any issues with the tag description or does it seem good to everyone?

Description: Urine inside any orifice besides a mouth.

Your current definition allows cases where a girl is holding her own piss. Such as these images:
http://ehentaihip.com/s/4994599651/1611514-12
http://ehentaihip.com/s/0867c7895c/1611514-13

I would suggest revising the definition to the following just to exclude those cases:

CODE

internal urination
Type: Activity / Visual
Description: Urine of another participant lingering inside any orifice besides a mouth. Usually includes the release of urine after.
Note: Requires the urination tag.
Gender: The gender of the one being urinated inside determines if the tag is placed in the female or male namespace.

http://ehentaihip.com/g/360359/e1a155f4c0/ 16-20

Only 16-17 fits with your definition. The rest are just dudes pissing on her body and mouth.

Though other than that, I don't really see any problem with this tag. I'll be poking at a senior tag mod once the others double-checked my definition.

I am afraid most still fail the presence.

Bear in mind two things. First, since it requires the urination tag, if urination fails presence then the tag automatically gets invalidated. Second, for visual tags, we need to see fetish activities happening EXPLICITLY. Scene with a man yelling out "I am peeing inside your womb!" but without seeing the urination being injected into the girl or spilt out, would not qualify.

For examples, those two qualify:
http://ehentaihip.com/s/d370b25196/1073902-18
http://ehentaihip.com/s/4b5a25b1ab/1073902-19

and this doesn't:
http://ehentaihip.com/s/863e5ce140/649229-9

I am afraid most still fail the presence.

Bear in mind two things. First, since it requires the urination tag, if urination fails presence then the tag automatically gets invalidated. Second, for visual tags, we need to see fetish activities happening EXPLICITLY. Scene with a man yelling out "I am peeing inside your womb!" but without seeing the urination being injected into the girl or spilt out, would not qualify.

For examples, those two qualify:
http://ehentaihip.com/s/d370b25196/1073902-18
http://ehentaihip.com/s/4b5a25b1ab/1073902-19

and this doesn't:
http://ehentaihip.com/s/863e5ce140/649229-9

Would it be appropriate to update the tag as contextual then, given that there are a large number of instances where the presence of the act comes from dialogue rather than direct visuals?

Would it be appropriate to update the tag as contextual then, given that there are a large number of instances where the presence of the act comes from dialogue rather than direct visuals?

We don't make something contextual just so it can pass presence. From skimming the thread, this looks like it should be a visual tag to me

Just to help out the OP a bit, you might have an easier time in identifying some presence-passing examples using both the "x-ray" and the "urination" tag.

We don't make something contextual just so it can pass presence. From skimming the thread, this looks like it should be a visual tag to me

At this point it seems like adding the tag is just dead. I have spent a lot of time trying to find examples, and I can find a lot, but almost none of them actually pass presence as given. Pretty much nobody who draws the act is drawing it lasting more than a couple of pages since there's only so long somebody would be peeing for.

I've seen a decent number of comments on galleries where people say they wish this had a tag, but it seems like by the nature of the act that it just doesn't agree with the requirements on presence for tags.

Edit: I'll try looking at things with the x-ray tag, I hadn't thought of that specific approach. I'll see if I can still find anything.

This post has been edited by Keltzar: Apr 9 2021, 10:05

I guess it turns out that image sets have a much higher tendency to feature a lot of pages with this than manga.

http://ehentaihip.com/g/1870269/ece516983e/ 15, 16, 20, 21, 22, 23, 30, 31, 34, 36
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1155706/44d3482d5c/ all pages
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1170003/90ffc4e970/ 6-9
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1170000/d3f411f331/ 9-12 21-24
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1225773/2bdbb479c3/ 5-7, 10-12
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1277679/9b06751602/ 3,4,9,10
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1336549/44f83b07e6/ 6-9, 15-18
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1886004/5f6005a179/ 10-13



http://ehentaihip.com/g/1427125/6ed8e3b6ef/?p=1 25,26,35,55,99,100,101,122-127,129-132 (below the percentage but there's a huge number of instances here, you can just ignore this though)

Those examples are fairly enough, I'll tweak the def by kaguya:

CODE

internal urination
Type: Activity / Visual
Sub-Type: Waste
Description: Urine of another participant lingering inside any orifice besides a mouth. Usually includes the release of urine after.
Note: Requires the urination tag. Remember the presence rule.
Gender: The gender of the one being urinated inside determines if the tag is placed in the female or male namespace.
Japanese: 膣内放尿

Those examples are fairly enough, I'll tweak the def by kaguya:

CODE

internal urination
Type: Activity / Visual
Sub-Type: Waste
Description: Urine of another participant lingering inside any orifice besides a mouth. Usually includes the release of urine after.
Note: Requires the urination tag. Remember the presence rule.
Gender: The gender of the one being urinated inside determines if the tag is placed in the female or male namespace.
Japanese: 膣内放尿

Sounds good to me. I updated the OP so anybody new looking at the thread sees the most up to date definition first. I actually didn't realize sub-type was a thing so that's a helpful inclusion.

Another example: http://ehentaihip.com/g/1333698/52ae39dda8/

Thanks Miles for refining the def!

I'll let this one sit for another week or so before activating it.

Activated.

Hoh, Nice! This finally got activated!

Thank you very much!