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Jan 19 2022, 21:07
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Tenboro
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To be added to the whitelist for "rough translation" you need at least: - A mod power of 10
- Three existing gallery comments that fulfill the tag requirements
To be added, make a post in this thread linking to the comments you made. Existing whitelisted users and/or moderators will then validate that your posts are valid and constructive before you are approved. A history of non-constructive or discourteous posts beyond the submitted three may also disqualify you from the whitelist. The post immediately following this can be edited by a moderator to change the whitelist. Each line must start with the user's UID and should be followed by the user's name and which source/target languages they are qualified for. The parser ignores everything past the initial number, as well as any line that doesn't start with a number. Changes can take up to an hour to take effect. You may be removed from the whitelist if you use the tag beyond its stated purpose, provide supporting comments that are not constructive or are discourteous, or tag languages not listed with your entry. Tag vetoers are automatically whitelisted and should not be included.
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Feb 9 2022, 17:17
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Shank
Group: Global Mods
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Rough translation can only be applied based on third party translations compared to either the raw or official non third party translation.
If an artist does his own translation and fucks it up, and someone translates based on that tl, due to it not being third party rough translation would not qualify if it matched up with it.
If a translation was done by someone based on a third party translation, rough translation may still apply based on it being wrong compared to the raw, even if it's otherwise stellar compared to the translation they used to do theirs.
All comments should be verified against the raw or any official non third party translations to qualify. If the translator states which official version he translated from, or it can be determined, it must be compared to that one.
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Feb 16 2022, 23:01
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Dnkz
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Jan 19 2022, 14:07) 1419096 cutegyaru (JP > EN)
http://ehentaihip.com/g/2143322/eb6f855925/So now that you have the ability to make lists and tag galleries as 'rough translation', you decide not to do so and instead write comments like this? This post has been edited by Dnkz: Feb 16 2022, 23:01
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Feb 17 2022, 00:53
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cutegyaru
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(Dnkz @ Feb 16 2022, 10:01) http://ehentaihip.com/g/2143322/eb6f855925/So now that you have the ability to make lists and tag galleries as 'rough translation', you decide not to do so and instead write comments like this? 1. I do tag galleries as rough translation, and provide the appropriate comment when I do. I also do so mostly on galleries where I have a hint that the author might be interested in improving. Xinsu is a known group that cares little for the quality of their translations, and have done so since 2018. In fact, most of their works are double translations JP => CN => EN, so providing JP => EN QC is moot. They don't even understand JP. In short: Xinsu isn't worth the effort. 2. Me being polite is only a requirement for when I do write a comment to tag it as rough translation. However, if I were to indeed tag their galleries, I would abide by the tag's requirements. This post has been edited by cutegyaru: Feb 17 2022, 01:03
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Feb 17 2022, 01:07
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Mayriad
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QUOTE(Dnkz @ Feb 16 2022, 15:01) http://ehentaihip.com/g/2143322/eb6f855925/So now that you have the ability to make lists and tag galleries as 'rough translation', you decide not to do so and instead write comments like this? I have compared the gallery against the raw and the translation is pretty good. There are a few small translation issues in my opinion, but the aggression is unfounded. Edit: I am the JP-EN on EH. This post has been edited by Mayriad: Feb 17 2022, 01:10
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Feb 17 2022, 01:18
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cutegyaru
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(Mayriad @ Feb 16 2022, 12:07) I have compared the gallery against the raw and the translation is pretty good. There are a few small translation issues in my opinion, but the aggression is unfounded.
Edit: I am the JP-EN on EH.
Again, I have no clue why we're even having this conversation in the "rough translation" tag. I didn't tag it, nor did I imply I would. I wrote a completely unrelated comment to the tag saying it reads like shit (which it does), and that they're running a scam pretending to be translators. To note Xinsu has more than 1 TL on their team, and the quality of their releases wildly varies, be it because grammar or actual TL issues. At least they're upfront about their double translations. This post has been edited by cutegyaru: Feb 17 2022, 01:19
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Feb 17 2022, 01:40
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Dnkz
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QUOTE(cutegyaru @ Feb 16 2022, 18:18) and that they're running a scam pretending to be translators.
You mean that if I were to commission something from them, they wouldn't actually deliver? Or that they are no real translators cause it's jp -> ch -> en?
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Feb 17 2022, 02:17
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cutegyaru
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QUOTE(Dnkz @ Feb 16 2022, 12:40) You mean that if I were to commission something from them, they wouldn't actually deliver? Or that they are no real translators cause it's jp -> ch -> en?
I don't know why I'm entertaining your off-topic comments, but sure. This is my last reply on the topic because this is completely unrelated to the tag or the whitelist made specifically for that specific tag.>You mean that if I were to commission something from them, they wouldn't actually deliver? No idea. Why would I ever commission anything from them? >Or that they are no real translators cause it's jp -> ch -> en? Yes, double translations aren't real translations (and certainly not JP => EN), unless they're thoroughly vetted with the original language. That's a personal opinion, and I can give you a plethora of examples proving my point (outside of this thread). The only JP => EN TL on that team that I know of is Yukikaze D, and I've already said my piece on them (again, I can share a 100p script of his with you that I had to re-do to exemplify the issues). As far as I can tell, the rest are all CN => EN TLs. If you want to continue getting my opinion on the state of the TL community and the quality of some of its translators, I suggest you either DM me or add me on Discord. This post has been edited by cutegyaru: Feb 17 2022, 02:20
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Feb 17 2022, 04:51
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Daruna
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QUOTE(Dnkz @ Feb 16 2022, 11:01) http://ehentaihip.com/g/2143322/eb6f855925/So now that you have the ability to make lists and tag galleries as 'rough translation', you decide not to do so and instead write comments like this? Hey, isn't this you? ... PENGUIN EDIT: Publishing identifiable information about yourself or anyone else is forbidden by the forum rules. This is you one and only warning about it ... Daruna edit: Given that the mods appear to be defending their own in the face of exposure of rulebreaking and general scumfuckery, I will simply leave this note here explaining that I had posted evidence of Dnkz doing so and blue penguin decided that was rulebreaking. I invite the reader to make of that what they will.For one, it's a pretty bitchmade move to try and tattle on someone over something entirely unrelated to the whitelist, but more importantly, do you really think it's wise for you to be the one going around policing people's comments? This post has been edited by Daruna: Feb 17 2022, 06:01
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QUOTE(Lewdovico @ Jan 8 2022, 04:22) Here's your use case, you joyless ghoul.
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Feb 17 2022, 05:48
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blue penguin
Group: Global Mods
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You folks wanted the power to do something and you got it. With power comes responsibility. The moment you are officially on the translation whitelist you are part of EH "staff"and what you say matters.
Behave as you are part of the staff or you will be stripped of the power.
I will personally remove your names from the whitelist and take responsibility for doing so.
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Jun 21 2021, 17:24) For 10 years of my life I have refused to add if-else blocks in order to support internet explorer idiocy, am not going to start doing it now in order to support google chrome's idiocy. Sorry folks. As harsh as the advice sounds my advice will be: use a browser that follows IETF standards.
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Feb 17 2022, 05:56
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Daruna
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I suggest you apply those exact same standards to your ACTUAL staff first - yourself included - before you try and rope anyone else into them, pal. Don't pretend like I don't have evidence that you have actual scumfucks in your midst.
Or is this one of those "rules for thee but not for me" situations?
This post has been edited by Daruna: Feb 17 2022, 05:59
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QUOTE(Lewdovico @ Jan 8 2022, 04:22) Here's your use case, you joyless ghoul.
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Feb 17 2022, 06:04
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cutegyaru
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 138
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Feb 16 2022, 16:48) You folks wanted the power to do something and you got it. With power comes responsibility. The moment you are officially on the translation whitelist you are part of EH "staff"and what you say matters.
Behave as you are part of the staff or you will be stripped of the power.
I will personally remove your names from the whitelist and take responsibility for doing so.
To say whitelisted users are "EH staff" is a bit of a stretch, but ok. >You folks wanted the power to do something and you got it. With power comes responsibility. And I (and other whitelisted users) have been careful and consistent in wielding it. Again, the comment posted above is unrelated to the tag and was not made in a tagged gallery (or a gallery that was subject to be tagged). If you want me to sanitize every single comment I make on EH, whether related to the rough translation/grammar tags or not, then fine. But make this consistent across ALL staff, everywhere, all the time.
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Feb 17 2022, 06:11
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blue penguin
Group: Global Mods
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QUOTE(Daruna @ Feb 16 2022, 21:56) I suggest you apply those exact same standards to your ACTUAL staff first - yourself included - before you try and rope anyone else into them, pal. Don't pretend like I don't have evidence that you have actual scumfucks in your midst.
Or is this one of those "rules for thee but not for me" situations?
If i cared what some random idiot on the internet speaks I would not be here. If you piece of shit thinks that your random stream of consciousness makes sense to anyone feel free to keep shitting in your own pot. I do not care, I'm not your father or mother, or any family. If you want entertainment go spam somewhere else. Nobody cares. But I will enforce every rule, and it will not matter that you can write a hundred posts on how wronged you have been; or how colorful you can make your crap - it is still just a bunch of crap. If you do not have enough mental capacity to follow simple rules, then don't, i do not care either. But if you ever get given any power to act, i will be sure to make you use it responsibly. Albeit I assure you - you won't get any. Because I care about it? No. It is because I care that EH is never maintained by little entitled pieces of dog shit like you.
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Jun 21 2021, 17:24) For 10 years of my life I have refused to add if-else blocks in order to support internet explorer idiocy, am not going to start doing it now in order to support google chrome's idiocy. Sorry folks. As harsh as the advice sounds my advice will be: use a browser that follows IETF standards.
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Feb 17 2022, 06:13
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Daruna
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Feb 16 2022, 18:11) If i cared what some random idiot on the internet speaks I would not be here.
If you piece of shit thinks that your random stream of consciousness makes sense to anyone feel free to keep shitting in your own pot. I do not care, I'm not your father or mother, or any family.
If you want entertainment go spam somewhere else. Nobody cares. But I will enforce every rule, and it will not matter that you can write a hundred posts on how wronged you have been; or how colorful you can make your crap - it is still just a bunch of crap. If you do not have enough mental capacity to follow simple rules, then don't, i do not care either. But if you ever get given any power to act, i will be sure to make you use it responsibly. Albeit I assure you - you won't get any. Because I care about it? No. It is because I care that EH is never maintained by little entitled pieces of dog shit like you.
QUOTE(blue penguin @ Feb 16 2022, 17:48) Behave as you are part of the staff or you will be stripped of the power.
This post has been edited by Daruna: Feb 17 2022, 06:17
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QUOTE(Lewdovico @ Jan 8 2022, 04:22) Here's your use case, you joyless ghoul.
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Feb 17 2022, 06:14
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blue penguin
Group: Global Mods
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Exactly. Weeding crap is part of the job.
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Jun 21 2021, 17:24) For 10 years of my life I have refused to add if-else blocks in order to support internet explorer idiocy, am not going to start doing it now in order to support google chrome's idiocy. Sorry folks. As harsh as the advice sounds my advice will be: use a browser that follows IETF standards.
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Feb 17 2022, 06:17
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Daruna
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Feb 16 2022, 17:48) The moment you are officially on the translation whitelist you are part of EH "staff"
Give them staff powers and access to staff channels or kindly take this statement and shove it~ QUOTE(blue penguin @ Feb 16 2022, 18:11) But if you ever get given any power to act, i will be sure to make you use it responsibly. Albeit I assure you - you won't get any. Because I care about it? No. It is because I care that EH is never maintained by little entitled pieces of dog shit like you.
oh sweetie i don't think you have to worry about that, i prefer to be an actual content provider. i am not in the business of wiping asses and malding about it. i'll leave that up to you~ This post has been edited by Daruna: Feb 17 2022, 06:30
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QUOTE(Lewdovico @ Jan 8 2022, 04:22) Here's your use case, you joyless ghoul.
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Feb 17 2022, 06:35
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Mayriad
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QUOTE(Daruna @ Feb 16 2022, 20:51) For one, it's a pretty bitchmade move to try and tattle on someone over something entirely unrelated to the whitelist
I think Dnkz's post is relevant to the topic, because cutegyaru's comments branded the gallery a rough TL and the translator a scam when the TL is pretty good. It creates a question about whether cutegyaru is able to use the rough TL tag correctly and objectively, since he called a good TL bad. QUOTE(cutegyaru @ Feb 16 2022, 22:04) Again, the comment posted above is unrelated to the tag and was not made in a tagged gallery (or a gallery that was subject to be tagged).
That is the problem. Your comments indicated rough TL (hence relevant to the tag) but, as you said, they were made in a good TL gallery that was not subject to be tagged with rough TL.
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Feb 17 2022, 06:40
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Daruna
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QUOTE(Mayriad @ Feb 16 2022, 18:35) I think Dnkz's post is relevant to the topic, because cutegyaru's comments branded the gallery a rough TL
Wrong. He didn't write the evidence comment out and, as far as I am aware, didn't tag the gallery with rough translation. There is nothing in the gallery besides a disparaging personal comment that indicates the gallery in question reads poorly. This is utterly irrelevant. QUOTE(Mayriad @ Feb 16 2022, 18:35) It creates a question about whether cutegyaru is able to use the rough TL tag correctly and objectively, since he called a good TL bad.
Wrong again, see above. QUOTE(Mayriad @ Feb 16 2022, 18:35) Your comments indicated rough TL (hence relevant to the tag) but, as you said, they were made in a good TL gallery that was not subject to be tagged with rough TL.
3 strikes! You're out! This post has been edited by Daruna: Feb 17 2022, 06:42
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QUOTE(Lewdovico @ Jan 8 2022, 04:22) Here's your use case, you joyless ghoul.
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Feb 17 2022, 06:40
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Glovelove.
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Jan 19 2022, 14:07) A history of non-constructive or discourteous posts beyond the submitted three may also disqualify you from the whitelist.
The fact that a history of posts that were made before the tag even existed can disqualify people from the whitelist preemptively already implies that this rule can be enforced on comments that weren't made solely to apply the tag. I decided to give Cutegyaru the benefit of doubt and abstain from bringing that one up when they applied for the whitelist but it seems it was only a matter of time before the drama would start.
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Crackmore#8387 if you need something from me.
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Feb 17 2022, 06:43
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cutegyaru
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QUOTE(Mayriad @ Feb 16 2022, 17:35) I think Dnkz's post is relevant to the topic, because cutegyaru's comments branded the gallery a rough TL and the translator a scam when the TL is pretty good. It creates a question about whether cutegyaru is able to use the rough TL tag correctly and objectively, since he called a good TL bad. That is the problem. Your comments indicated rough TL (hence relevant to the tag) but, as you said, they were made in a good TL gallery that was not subject to be tagged with rough TL.
Now you're just seeing ghosts and making shit up. Please point out EXACTLY where I said that SPECIFIC translation is bad. I said it reads like shit, and it fucking does. Some of the sentences are barely English. My reservations about Xinsu as a group IN GENERAL and for the quality of their translators are justified, and that's precisely what the comment says. If you want me to reword that part, then fine. I didn't tag the gallery as rough translation. I didn't imply I ever would. If I were to tag, I would justify in detail, like I always do. If you're going to accuse me of misusing my ability to tag rough TL, then please find a gallery I actually tagged as such and explain the issues. This is just ridiculous. This post has been edited by cutegyaru: Feb 17 2022, 06:45
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Feb 17 2022, 06:46
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Daruna
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Acting like an absolute piece of shit is par for the course for the staff here, whether it's Miles, Shank or blue penguin. Given that blue penguin has decreed that tag whitelist members = E-H staff, I would argue that cutegyaru is actually underperforming as a member of the mod team.
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QUOTE(Lewdovico @ Jan 8 2022, 04:22) Here's your use case, you joyless ghoul.
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