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furigana
Type: Technical / Visual
Sub-Type: Meta-Language
Description: Japanese galleries where most of the kanji are annotated with kana to indicate their reading.
Notes: Do not use on galleries that employ only a very limited amount of text (e.g. only the title) or when furigana are only used for names / alternative character readings.
Japanese: 振り仮名
Slave Tags: Other

Examples:
http://ehentaihip.com/g/964418/1709dbcb69/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1148456/cb0d05d183/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1224445/692d27448e/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1546302/7c238ecaf4/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1714564/224d8277dd/ (and other entries of this multi-work series)
http://ehentaihip.com/g/2365100/87e694e23a/

Edit: Slave Tags from "Language" to "Other".
Edit2: Added example, extended note.

This post has been edited by peterson123: Oct 20 2024, 09:44

Why.

Why.

learn with hentai

Why.

So japanese kids can find some porn they can read.

Joking aside, -terry- is on the right track and I do believe some people may find it useful. I am personally interested in it, too. And on the other hand, I can't think of any downsides. If the tag wasn't this straightforward to define & apply I probably would've scrapped the idea.

learn with hentai

So japanese kids can find some porn they can read.

They'd get better results by comparing the raw with a version translated into their language, or, in the second case, with a dictionary.

As it currently stands, I see no real reason to support this tag.

As it currently stands, I see no real reason to support this tag.

Agree. This is a porn site, tags we add should somewhat be related to that or to help filter out non porn items.
With that in mind I can't see any real purpose for this, people who are trying to learn have other sites with dedicated resources.

Also how would presence even work? All kanji need to have it, one kanji having it on a page counts?

This post has been edited by Cipher-kun: Oct 16 2023, 15:01

Agree. This is a porn site, tags we add should somewhat be related to that or to help filter out non porn items.

This is proposed as a meta-language tag, in the same way as, for example, translated is.

Also how would presence even work? All kanji need to have it, one kanji having it on a page counts?

It should be most of the kanji, as it says in the description.


Edit: Also, galleries with furigana are much more accessible to people not fluent in reading Kanji. mewo_pao's comment suggests that we have translated versions of every gallery, but that is not the case.

This post has been edited by peterson123: Oct 16 2023, 15:21

I don't really find it necessary either.

This is proposed as a meta-language tag, in the same way as, for example, translated is.

The existing meta-language tags serve useful purposes, even for a porn site. One of them allows the filtering of translated works, three others inform the readers that the "translation" is either badly-done or a rewrite, and the last two identify speech-free works. I do not see the proposed tag providing anything close to the same degree of practical use.

mewo_pao's comment suggests that we have translated versions of every gallery, but that is not the case.

That is not what I suggested at all, but I can see how that can be misinterpreted. I should've reversed the order and said "comparing a version translated into their language with the raw".

This is proposed as a meta-language tag, in the same way as, for example, translated is.

Translated is useful because it lets people know the origin, and quality of the work they're reading. furigana doesn't do the same, and is useful to probably a handful of people, while translated is useful to nearly the whole userbase.

This post has been edited by Cipher-kun: Oct 16 2023, 15:47

Translated is useful because it lets people know the origin, and quality of the work they're reading. furigana doesn't do the same, and is useful to probably a handful of people, while translated is useful to nearly the whole userbase.

How does translated tell you anything about the quality lol. I'd argue that furigana will be useful to a lot more people than some other language tags (I am aware that actual language tags have other merits that furigana doesn't).

Anyway, the opposition to this rather straightforward tag has been much stronger than I anticipated, so I'll leave off until another active tagger voices support. Maybe I'll try again in five years or so, that usually works.

I'll voice my support.

Obviously there's a benefit to language learning and legibility. I don't even know how you can say otherwise, so let's focus on other considerations. Like peterson mentioned, I can see no real downsides to this tag as far as enforcement is concerned and it lets an (admittedly) small part of the userbase find works they couldn't otherwise. I'm also personally interested.

I think it's a no-brainer but just to have it stated somewhere, it should go in the other: namespace.

(Funny tidbit: did you guys know we had a l:aramiac, l:hebrew, and l:ladino(??) language tag?)

This post has been edited by jackbobby: Oct 16 2023, 17:37

(Funny tidbit: did you guys know we had a l:aramiac, l:hebrew, and l:ladino(??) language tag?)

And all because of one retard posting something unrelated to the site.

Obviously there's a benefit to language learning and legibility. I don't even know how you can say otherwise, so let's focus on other considerations. Like peterson mentioned, I can see no real downsides to this tag as far as enforcement is concerned and it lets an (admittedly) small part of the userbase find works they couldn't otherwise. I'm also personally interested.

A gallery that is not relevant to the site's theme has no detrimental downside either. The issue is that this is a porn site, not an educational institute. We don't need a tag for every single thing out there, they take time and effort to maintain.

Languages are treated the same way as artists etc, they get a tag so long as it is a language (as opposed to just a regional dialect or something) and we have a gallery for it. Not sure why it's being compared, since they are activated under fundamentally different rules.

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Slave Tags: Language

Just a note that it wouldn't go in the language namespace either way.

I personally don't see a need for this, and I can also imagine this being wrongly used as a substitute Japanese tag while we lack one.

A gallery that is not relevant to the site's theme has no detrimental downside either. The issue is that this is a porn site, not an educational institute. We don't need a tag for every single thing out there, they take time and effort to maintain.

Porn is plot. Plot requires understanding, and being able to read the text with a phonetic aid can help people understand the porn. No necessity of us becoming an educational institute.

Porn is plot. Plot requires understanding, and being able to read the text with a phonetic aid can help people understand the porn. No necessity of us becoming an educational institute.

Line spacing is also relevant for understanding the plot as well. Are you suggesting that we should add a "double spacing" tag as well then?

Tags require actual people to maintain, if a tag is not even what a normal person would be expecting from a porn site, then it is not worth the effort.

It's not like the addition of the tag would help people understand it more or less anyway. If for some reason someone understands kana but not kanji then they will read it whether the tags there or not, for how limited this is, those few people probably aren't gonna be particularly searching it out, and those that just want to learn the language probably ain't coming to a porn site to do it.

To me, this just feels like making tags for the sake of making tags.

jackbobby my hero.

Just a note that it wouldn't go in the language namespace either way.

Okay, I updated the start post to reflect that. Is Meta-Language still okay? I mean, it makes some sense to call it that.

I can also imagine this being wrongly used as a substitute Japanese tag while we lack one.

I can't.

Line spacing is also relevant for understanding the plot as well. Are you suggesting that we should add a "double spacing" tag as well then?

I think that's a bad comparison, but to play along, I do imagine that if some unique image typesetting techniques emerges that is employed with the intention of improving accessibilty to some user group, it might get a tag as well.