[X] My Assistant

- Type:

- Attribute

- Description:

Someone who doesn't understand or doesn't know what is being done to them/ something they are doing is sexual.

- Examples:

Example 1

Example 2 (First 30 pages)

Example 3 (First 8 pages)

Example 4 (pages 5-33, 91-112, 151-169, 185-208)

Example 5

Example 6

- Why I feel this tag is needed:

The tag of clueless could apply to oblivious, naive, gullible, drugged, sleeping, unconscious, unaware, tricked, time stop, and in rarer cases drunk and mind controlled themes. It's a broader term to help someone like myself find the categories they seek, without needing to look for very specific terms that may or may not return favorable results.

However, this does not apply to "stealth sex" situations where a third party is clueless to what is happening right besides them or in front of them. Unless the third party is involved in some way, but are not aware of their involvement.

This looks promising.

Solid concept, definition needs some work.

So if there is a single line of dialogue that says "I don't understand" this qualifies?

Someone who doesn't understand or doesn't know what is being done to them/something they are doing is sexual.

Obligatory homage to Kei Mizuryu's best character - and a gotcha for your tag suggestion.

This post has been edited by Luna_Flina: Jul 16 2016, 13:08

So if there is a single line of dialogue that says "I don't understand" this qualifies?

Check the first example, a single line should certainly not qualify, a full sex scene where a character is clueless should be the target.

Check the first example

Seems closer to a "deception" tag than anything else.

So far every example uses a blindfold or mind control. Not seeing why this is needed.

Wow, I uh, didn't expect such sudden feedback and such fairly supportive feedback at that.

I completely agree with Binglo, the whole theme of a scene needs to fall under the "clueless" classification to count. That's not to say the character doesn't eventually figure it out, like in example 2 and 3, but that a good portion of the entire thing needs to read like a character is clueless.

If I were to liken it to, say, the 'sleeping' tag for example. I would say that it's ok to tag a doujin sleeping, so long as the character having the naughty things being done to them remains asleep while the acts are taking place. It's ok if they wake up afterwards, just so long as they weren't faking it.

So clueless would not apply to a situation where a character is playing dumb, just so that they can deliver an amusing line of dialogue and keep the bone train on track.

And for a revised definition, how does this sound:

Having no knowledge or understanding of a sexual situation.

great Idea!

Solid concept, definition needs some work.

Do you only see the color vanilla or something? You're always quick to comprehend and support tags for the simple and harmless like this. But a certain thread for the exact opposite that's over a year old and has 6 pages still ain't got no tag. Because your first response was:

I'm not seeing the difference between this suggestion and blackmail.

Do you only see the color vanilla or something? You're always quick to comprehend and support tags for the simple and harmless like this. But a certain thread for the exact opposite that's over a year old and has 6 pages still ain't got no tag. Because your first response was:

Not to get myself too involved, but deception is just the other half of the coin for my tag suggestion in my opinion. Taking advantage of the naivety or gullibility of someone is in a way deceiving them, if anything, it sounds like you'd want to support my tag suggestion.

It might sound more "vanilla" since we're looking at the ones that are being tricked, but don't forget that the person on the other side is still helping themselves to the situation.

Though now that I think about it, deception could also apply to situations were the character knows what they are doing but doesn't know who they are doing it with. Which is different from clueless, where the character doesn't comprehend what they are doing to be sexual or perverse.

Just putting this out there.

Taking advantage of the naivety or gullibility of someone is in a way deceiving them, if anything, it sounds like you'd want to support my tag suggestion.

I prefer deception because I'd only need to use one namespace for tag flagging if it were under misc. And it was almost called sexual predator, which would have been great. Because then it could have been used to find the ever elusive 'female' predators without needing to mix up tags to find them by their victims. Clueless sounds like another name for bimbo. But it's for males too so I'd have add both genders to my flagged tags when I already don't have enough room. Because in my flagged tags there's stuff like male:prostitution, female:prostitution, male:sleeping, female:sleeping, etc.

Basically, the inverse of this idea was suggested over a year ago and should have been implemented. Now you propose a similar, 'nicer' tag and the mod acts like its more sinister cousin never happened. Because apparently we make tags based on the prey, not the predator.

Since Marien brought it up, I figured I'd post an example of what I see is a combination of the tags "clueless" and "deception":

Example.

Here, the clueless part is what Elizabeth doesn't know that this man is just using her. He's taking advantage of her gullible nature, all the time while deceiving her.

Would you rather have a tag pass and wreck the system, or a tag stay on hold until other users can make it slightly more viable and slightly less prone to mistagging?

Given a tag suggestion does not enforce any kind of janitoring responsibility for the OP, I'd wager the latter is preferred by janitors - and potential mistaggers.

Would you rather have a tag pass and wreck the system, or a tag stay on hold until other users can make it slightly more viable and slightly less prone to mistagging?

Given a tag suggestion does not enforce any kind of janitoring responsibility for the OP, I'd wager the latter is preferred by janitors - and potential mistaggers.

I can see it now. All the dumb hentai chicks who fall for the weakest blackmail plots and end up in a netorare getting slapped with the clueless tag. Had we went with the 'sexual predator' tag we'd be more concerned with the person taking advantage of them. Setting our eyes on the guilty rather than the innocent. You know, like those manipulative assholes who always get away with their crimes because the maledom tag isn't a thing anymore and nobody's paying attention to them while they're slut shaming the victim or whatnot?

I would've thought cluelessness would be a subject on which you would be vastly knowledgeable.

I would've thought cluelessness would be a subject on which you would be vastly knowledgeable.

I know it's what you are whenever you post your non-sequitur comments about me in the sections you have nothing to do with. Like here or Cove of Scanlaters.

I know it's what you are whenever you post your non-sequitur comments about me in the sections you have nothing to do with. Like here or Cove of Scanlaters.

Swing and a miss......

I'd like to revive this discussion. I've been a few years here and I always thought this tag was denied by the vast majority. It's pretty encouraging to see that there's been some traction for this tag at some point.

I propose changing the name to "naive" and adding a few examples, like so:

naive

Type: Activity / Visual

Description: Having little to no knowledge of sex. e.g. not knowing about privacy during sex, not knowing about incest, not knowing the link between sex and pregnancy, etc.
Gender: The gender of the sexually ignorant character determines if the tag is placed in the female or male namespace.
Japanese: 無知シチュ
Slave Tags: Female, Male

I also want to point out that this definition doesn't necessarily need the character to be deceived or taken advantage of. Like here:

http://ehentaihip.com/g/1195845/ee1e3150b3/

Here's the tag on pixiv
[www.pixiv.net] https://www.pixiv.net/search.php?s_mode=s_t...%83%81%E3%83%A5

This is my fetish and I spend hours a day skimming through new and old hentai looking for it because it goes untagged on every site. I'll be the first to admit there isn't always a clear line where something is or isn't clueless/unaware/naive and we need to work on better terms and definitions before it's implemented, but clearly the examples listed in this thread show a distinct fetish worthy of a tag.

Here are some more examples:
http://ehentaihip.com/g/341709/81a3f46243/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1306427/583a328a3a/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1208774/37b819a878/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1211902/d47ee7a107/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/992561/53196e541f/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/677657/814ecebd78/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/580164/1ea22a9cc0/

http://ehentaihip.com/g/812908/0b6012e630/ (An honourable mention here because the male lead thinks he's fucking a lifelike doll, which may fit some definitions of the tag)