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One thing I often hear about the HV lottery prizes is that people are mostly in it for either the gear or the chaos tokens. Presumably, the golden ticket is also desirable since it improves the chance in future lotteries.

If the blood tokens and soul fragments are really considered trash tier, I'm considering just making the 3rd through 5th prize awards different amounts of chaos tokens, but I would like to know what the regulars think about this.

I would be open to other suggestions as well, but keep in mind that to avoid abuse, lottery prizes should generally not be tradeable.

Soul Fragments are trash to end-game players. I have 1 partial solution for that.

Blood Tokens are semi-trash because you basically convert them into trophies. I have 1 idea to fix that.

You're looking for new token-like items as prizes. I have 1 large idea for that (requires additional content to make them valuable).

Delicious chaos tokens.

I have no idea what's actually best, but...

Remove Soul Fragments, or make Soul Fragments worth something, or replace them with Artifacts.. why not.
Boost Chaos and Blood tokens by double (keep max of 500).


All I do know is it really hurts the anus when getting the soul fragment prize.
You currently have 11557 Soul Fragments.
This is after soul fusing an entire set of Phase.

GP price is already inflated enough by the Lottery

Yeah, every time I play HV I always think the best way to improve the game is by having more fully chaosed monsters that take 2X the hit to die and make DW, Niten and 2H even less viable.
No, I don't think that throwing chaos tokens at the problem solves anything.
Trainers wanting chaos tokens are also the reason why a lot of first prices end up being unused.
Definitely don't want more of that.

I also agree with this to some extent. I feel like offering more Chaos Tokens will only increase the amount of players who participate in Lotteries only for the Chaos Tokens and not for the equipment. This could also increase the amount of players who participate in the Lotteries, but who have retired from actually playing the game. Some of those players might just want to make more passive income from Monster Lab with more monsters and Chaos Upgrades, but this comes at the expense of the players who actually have to play the game against the stronger monsters. Until players (especially melee styles, excluding 1H) have better ways to fight against monsters with high parry, resist and mitigations, Chaos Token supply should be somewhat limited as well.

I know that Soul Fragments and to some extent Blood Tokens are regarded as bad prizes, Soul Fragments being useless for most high level players and players with complete sets and Blood Tokens being just a tool to create more Trophies for Shrine or sale. However, I don't think making all but the 1st prize desireable in most Lotteries is a very good thing either.

In case there would be a "Chaos Lottery" of some sort, I would like it to use some other currency than GP that actually requires some playing too. If the goal in the end is to make Lotteries a more popular GP sink, changing the currently less desireable prizes to Chaos Tokens might be a good idea.

P.S. When are shields coming to Lotteries?

GP price is already inflated enough by the Lottery

I also agree with this to some extent. I feel like offering more Chaos Tokens will only increase the amount of players who participate in Lotteries only for the Chaos Tokens and not for the equipment. This could also increase the amount of players who participate in the Lotteries, but who have retired from actually playing the game. Some of those players might just want to make more passive income from Monster Lab with more monsters and Chaos Upgrades, but this comes at the expense of the players who actually have to play the game against the stronger monsters. Until players (especially melee styles, excluding 1H) have better ways to fight against monsters with high parry, resist and mitigations, Chaos Token supply should be somewhat limited as well.

I know that Soul Fragments and to some extent Blood Tokens are regarded as bad prizes, Soul Fragments being useless for most high level players and players with complete sets and Blood Tokens being just a tool to create more Trophies for Shrine or sale. However, I don't think making all but the 1st prize desireable in most Lotteries is a very good thing either.

In case there would be a "Chaos Lottery" of some sort, I would like it to use some other currency than GP that actually requires some playing too. If the goal in the end is to make Lotteries a more popular GP sink, changing the currently less desireable prizes to Chaos Tokens might be a good idea.

P.S. When are shields coming to Lotteries?

Thinking on that side you're right. If to increase the value of the main prize (equipment), it may be better to separate the awards in different lotteries. If this is the case, I think the equipment lotteries should give "just equipment" as a prize (Peerless for the 1st, Golden Lottery Tickets for 2nd, and Legendary for the 3rd to 5th).

And for a possible "chaos lottery", it might be interesting something like:

1st: Chaos Token [max 1000]
2nd: Golden Lottery Tickets [max 10]
3rd: Energy Drink [max 100]
4th: Precursor Artifact [max 500]
5th: Blood Token [max 500]

Thinking on that side you're right. If to increase the value of the main prize (equipment), it may be better to separate the awards in different lotteries. If this is the case, I think the equipment lotteries should give "just equipment" as a prize (Peerless for the 1st, Golden Lottery Tickets for 2nd, and Legendary for the 3rd to 5th).

And for a possible "chaos lottery", it might be interesting something like:

1st: Chaos Token [max 1000]
2nd: Golden Lottery Tickets [max 10]
3rd: Energy Drink [max 100]
4th: Precursor Artifact [max 500]
5th: Blood Token [max 500]

I would love that! But: prizes should not be tradable. Otherwise you could have multiple accounts playing for one or all kinds of bad stuff could happen. we could make the chaos lotery like this:

1st: chaos token [max 1000]
2nd: golden ticket
3rd: chaos token half the amount
4rd: chaos token 1/4 ot the amount
5th: chaos token 1/10 ot the amount

My solution : the Snowflake Ticket (untreadable)

When you put your bid in lottery, you choose if you want to play with GP or Snowflake Tickets (not both).

If you play with Snowflake Tickets, you compete for for the 1st prize : the peerless item.
If you play with GP, you compete for the 2nd to 5th prize : a variable amount of Snowflake Tickets.

The Snowflake Ticket is convertible in chaos/blood/soul frag. in the bazaar or even in the lottery page as it does not take much place.

I called it Snowflake Ticket for clarity, but the name Golden Ticket can remain.

Problem solved




Maybe I should explain a bit why it will work (take note that my English don't permit me to explain things as they should be).

By dissociating the 1st prize from the others, everyone has his chance even if it requires more planning. The "big players" will win the best prize (like now, actually) but when they compete for a good item, other players has a tremendous increase of luck for the snowflake tickets. And reciprocally, when the item is so-so, the big players will run for the tickets, giving a not-so-big player a chance at the 1st prize.

Like I said, it requires more planning. And maybe a little increase of the number of prize (like 10 prizes by lottery). But there should be no other ways to gain Snowflake tickets, only GP.

This post has been edited by Graduzob: Oct 25 2016, 17:09

I have the solution "time-shar...", I mean Tenbora boxes as second prize!

GP price to the moon.

Well.

1) Soul Fragments are complete rubbish.
Soul Fragments are complete rubbish.
Soul Fragments are complete rubbish.

This is important. Remove them from lotteries. People willing to put GP in lotteries don't need this shit. "Winning" Soul Fragments is worse than not getting anything. People think you have won something and say "oh you are so lucky!" but this is just jackshit. How many Soul Fragments one would need in a lifetime? I haven't touched HV battles for so long but this is still accumulating meaninglessly:


2) Don't put back Artifacts though. Make an untradeable trophy that can be shrined for an untradeable equipment. Minimum Tier 8 if not Tier 9. Make this the 2nd prize.

3) I don't think Blood Tokens are that bad. A bit better than Golden Lottery Ticket. I can hardly find a chance to use a GLT nowadays. And I do think that when using GLT I am becoming more unlucky. Well, not that Blood Tokens are useful to me anyway, I haven't used a single Blood Token for months if not over a year.

4) I can understand why GP was replaced with untradeable stuff, but that shouldn't mean 2nd-5th prizes should be depreciated, unfortunately the current 2nd-5th prizes are nothing compared to the GP prizes. Simplest is to multiply the amount, like:

1st: Peerless Equip
2nd: Untradeable Trophy (Max: 5-10)
3rd: Chaos Token (Max: 1000-2000)
4th: Blood Token (Max: 500-1000)
5th: Golden Lottery Ticket (Max: Whatever?)

I don't mind if you make all 2nd-5th prizes become Chaos Tokens though... no, that may be even better.

This post has been edited by StonyCat: Oct 26 2016, 01:05

I don't mind if you make all 2nd-5th prizes become Chaos Tokens though... no, that may be even better.

I couldn't agree with you more.

I didn't think about this, but previous posts brought it up. Even the Peerless equip is a dud prize for most chaos token hunters.

When I won that PEES last lottery, I actually thought 'aww shit.. no chaos tokens'.

Well.

1) Soul Fragments are complete rubbish.
Soul Fragments are complete rubbish.
Soul Fragments are complete rubbish.

This is important. Remove them from lotteries. People willing to put GP in lotteries don't need this shit. "Winning" Soul Fragments is worse than not getting anything. People think you have won something and say "oh you are so lucky!" but this is just jackshit. How many Soul Fragments one would need in a lifetime? I haven't touched HV battles for so long but this is still accumulating meaninglessly:


2) Don't put back Artifacts though. Make an untradeable trophy that can be shrined for an untradeable equipment. Minimum Tier 8 if not Tier 9. Make this the 2nd prize.

3) I don't think Blood Tokens are that bad. A bit better than Golden Lottery Ticket. I can hardly find a chance to use a GLT nowadays. And I do think that when using GLT I am becoming more unlucky. Well, not that Blood Tokens are useful to me anyway, I haven't used a single Blood Token for months if not over a year.

4) I can understand why GP was replaced with untradeable stuff, but that shouldn't mean 2nd-5th prizes should be depreciated, unfortunately the current 2nd-5th prizes are nothing compared to the GP prizes. Simplest is to multiply the amount, like:

1st: Peerless Equip
2nd: Untradeable Trophy (Max: 5-10)
3rd: Chaos Token (Max: 1000-2000)
4th: Blood Token (Max: 500-1000)
5th: Golden Lottery Ticket (Max: Whatever?)

I don't mind if you make all 2nd-5th prizes become Chaos Tokens though... no, that may be even better.

Soul Fragments are complete rubbish.
http://hentaiverse.org/?s=Bazaar&ss=lt&lottery=1127
http://hentaiverse.org/?s=Bazaar&ss=lt&lottery=1128
Tried with max GP + golden ticket

Soul Fragments are complete rubbish.
http://hentaiverse.org/?s=Bazaar&ss=lt&lottery=1127
http://hentaiverse.org/?s=Bazaar&ss=lt&lottery=1128
Tried with max GP + golden ticket

I actually wanted the grand prize for both of those but no such luck

I actually wanted the grand prize for both of those but no such luck

And it seems that those awesome weapons will rott in their inventory without ever getting used.

It was previously said that the order of lottery prizes did not matter, andI was given to think that was because 5 lottery winners were drawn randomly based on the effective number of lottery tickets, and then the prizes they received were uniformly randomly assigned between them.

Is that sorta correct?

Keep the coding easy.

Just replace the soul fragments with Chaos giving the lottery player 2 chances to win them.

Simple yes, but brilliantly implemented.

BWA HA HA HA HA!!

Also please add shields to lottery.

1) I think the lottery functions quite well as one of the few credit sinks in the game.

2) At current GP prices its 7.2mil + (6mil + cost to win a GLT (20%~)) per full commit makes it out of range for most HV players expect a select few. Perhaps a lower cap? This would ruin its ability as a credit sink though...

3) Add shields, ty. Personally I think it should be a part of the weaponry lottery.

4) Small amount of BTC auto credited into e-hentai wallet?

5) Well whatever you do;

GP price to the moon.

Now you know how to slow down people in generating credits.
That, & make damage perks donator-exclusive!

Yes for removing Soul Fragments.
Yes for removing Blood Tokens, unless they have new uses coming (could simply be more challenges, or the chance of repeating a challenge at a higher entry cost).
No for replacing both for more Chaos Tokens, unless there are new or extra uses for them coming.