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post Aug 30 2022, 09:15
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Type: Activity / Contextual
Description: Instruction, often practical, relating to puberty, reproduction, and sexuality in general.

Notes: This includes in class lessons with or without practical components, as well as more private sessions in or out of school. The 'teacher' must actually teach about sexuality, or explain aspects of, or the development of, the body like the genitals and secondary sexual characteristics.

Japanese: 性教育

In class examples:
http://ehentaihip.com/g/977406/4ed0ff32c7/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/855910/c339e5c670/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/296605/ff718d477c/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1263139/783dba0cec/

Outside of class example:
http://ehentaihip.com/g/2283250/3c5bb79e73/

Outside of school example
http://ehentaihip.com/g/572883/d6554896c2/


I suggest this tag because although it is relatively common, it is often hard to find this type of content using existing tags.
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post Aug 30 2022, 10:01
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As much of a antithesis this sounds, I don't really think people would come to a porn site to have sex education classes.


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post Aug 30 2022, 10:14
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QUOTE(romanicyte @ Aug 30 2022, 02:01) *

As much of a antithesis this sounds, I don't really think people would come to a porn site to have sex education classes.

The fetish for it is valid tho.

I'm a little worried in where it sits as it's contextual, and almost a location tag, but it's still more of a scenario. I don't think I have any problems with it.

I am however not a fan of the giant note. The definition should be within the definition.

Also not sure if it was because of this gallery or not, but this come up recently in a comment section. It has some general community appeal, however I don't know if this gallery would qualify under the def above.
http://ehentaihip.com/g/2311695/9c17eb911a/

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post Aug 30 2022, 10:59
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QUOTE(Cipher-kun @ Aug 29 2022, 22:14) *

I am however not a fan of the giant note. The definition should be within the definition.

Also not sure if it was because of this gallery or not, but this come up recently in a comment section. It has some general community appeal, however I don't know if this gallery would qualify under the def above.
http://ehentaihip.com/g/2311695/9c17eb911a/


Yeah, the note could probably be combined with the def, or just dropped entirely for greater scope. I have seen some tags with short defs and a note about applicability so I went in that direction. I mainly wanted to make sure it's not applied to every case involving an inexperienced character having sex, but the definition is probably narrow enough to stop that as is.

I think it would/should apply to that gallery, as the work is instructing the reader in that case.
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post Aug 30 2022, 15:53
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QUOTE(xamayon @ Aug 30 2022, 01:15) *
Type: Activity / Contextual
Description: Instruction, often practical, relating to puberty, reproduction, and sexuality in general.

Notes: This includes in class lessons with or without practical components, as well as more private sessions in or out of school. The 'teacher' must actually teach about sexuality, or explain aspects of, or the development of, the body like the genitals and secondary sexual characteristics.

Japanese: 性教育


Would the namespace for the tag be based on the one being taught, or the one teaching?

For example:

Gender: The gender of the one receiving the sexual education determines if the tag is placed in the male or female namespace.

We'd need to work out how presence is counted as well, for example:

Presence counts for sexual acts performed for the purpose of the education. That might be able to be further clarified with the gender part as well:

"The gender of the one performing or receiving sexual acts for the purpose of being educated on sex determines if the tag is placed in the male or female namespace."

Could also be based on the scene, but then there's a chance of 1 page of "don't you know that your dick gets hard because you like my tits" in some oneeshota gallery, a presence passing sex scene without any further education, and the tag qualifying based on just that one sentence, due to

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or explain aspects of, or the development of, the body like the genitals and secondary sexual characteristics
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post Aug 30 2022, 18:04
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QUOTE(romanicyte @ Aug 30 2022, 02:01) *
As much of a antithesis this sounds, I don't really think people would come to a porn site to have sex education classes.
Yes, but "teachy kiddy how to fucky" time is definitely a popular fetish.


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post Aug 31 2022, 03:10
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QUOTE(Shank @ Aug 30 2022, 03:53) *

Would the namespace for the tag be based on the one being taught, or the one teaching?

It should probably be based on the character(s) being taught. In the common class scenario, that would be both male and female as both are being taught (by the teacher, book, video, etc) even if the focus of the story, the 'model' is female.

It should probably be limited to actual participants though, who are somehow involved story wise. Invisibly sitting at a desk in the background wouldn't be enough, but if they are focused on visually, vocal about the situation, called to the front for an up close view, or involved in more practical lessons they could be counted.

In general educational scenarios, where nothing sexual really happens as a direct result of the instruction, it would probably be neither unless the teaching material itself qualifies as one or the other.


QUOTE(Shank @ Aug 30 2022, 03:53) *

1 page of "don't you know that your dick gets hard because you like my tits" in some oneeshota gallery


Yeah, that's an excessively common trope which should ideally be excluded from this tag somehow.
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post Aug 31 2022, 09:03
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QUOTE(xamayon @ Aug 30 2022, 19:10) *

Yeah, that's an excessively common trope which should ideally be excluded from this tag somehow.

Maybe add in a formal setting. It removes that kind of issue. Alternativly must be formally taught.

As for namespace, the genders being taught / used as an example seems to fit namespace best. I imagine a lot of the time it'll end up going in the mixed namespace though.

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post Aug 31 2022, 17:04
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Don't agree with the tag name.
Make it hard to tell if it's a gallery meant to teach "sex ed", if it's a gallery with a scenario featuring "sex ed", if it's role-play pretending it is "sex ed" but really is just playing around, and who know what else perverts can invent, I'm confident they can increase that list


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post Aug 31 2022, 18:11
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QUOTE(Cipher-kun @ Aug 31 2022, 01:03) *

As for namespace, the genders being taught / used as an example seems to fit namespace best. I imagine a lot of the time it'll end up going in the mixed namespace though.


Mixed would probably be if you were counting everyone in the classroom, but it was my impression from the examples I checked that it's about the one who's performing/receiving the sexual acts in order to be educated/the one being used as a material to teach. As in, focusing more on the activity, as opposed to tagging the plot itself.

I wouldn't tag people who are just sitting around doing nothing but watch, but if they were involved in the actual sexual acts, it'd be easier just tagging the genders actually involved, even if it means having f:sex ed and m:sex ed in the same gallery. Even if female student a gives handjob to male student b, because that's what the curriculum of the class told her to do, it's not female teaching male, it's both female and male being taught, so it'd be both f & m instead of mixed.

Mixed would only make sense if you were bringing the teacher into the equation, doing mixed when the teacher is a different gender to the student, in which case almost all the time it's going to be mixed, but I don't think there's any point in that or that it would make for good searchability. I also can't say with 100% confidence there's no situations that could happen where a teacher isn't involved (such as learning from written material).
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post Aug 31 2022, 21:06
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QUOTE(Shank @ Aug 31 2022, 06:11) *

I also can't say with 100% confidence there's no situations that could happen where a teacher isn't involved (such as learning from written material).

There are some like that, to varying degrees. Hard to search for but two that I can remember/find easily:
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1879834/fb6e6e56ae/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1078915/26b21d733c/

QUOTE(uareader @ Aug 31 2022, 05:04) *

Make it hard to tell if it's a gallery meant to teach "sex ed", if it's a gallery with a scenario featuring "sex ed", if it's role-play pretending it is "sex ed" but really is just playing around, and who know what else perverts can invent

I don't think that any of those would be a problem to include, as long as the motions are gone through with enough significance/detail.
i.e. a passing mention of dicks or nipples getting hard would not be adequate on its own, but a deeper dive into the ways stimulation causes changes due to arousal and such could be enough.
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post Aug 31 2022, 21:42
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QUOTE(xamayon @ Aug 31 2022, 13:06) *

There are some like that, to varying degrees. Hard to search for but two that I can remember/find easily:
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1879834/fb6e6e56ae/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1078915/26b21d733c/
I don't think that any of those would be a problem to include, as long as the motions are gone through with enough significance/detail.

Ah yeah, I wasn't saying to not include them, rather it reinforces my point that it should be based on the one being taught (hence I don't think the mixed namespace is really appropriate, and should just be m & f separate)
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post Sep 1 2022, 01:46
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QUOTE(Shank @ Aug 31 2022, 09:42) *

Ah yeah, I wasn't saying to not include them, rather it reinforces my point that it should be based on the one being taught (hence I don't think the mixed namespace is really appropriate, and should just be m & f separate)


Agreed, that part of the reply was more directed at the second quote. Cases like the splatoon example mentioned earlier ( http://ehentaihip.com/g/2311695/9c17eb911a/ ), where the work itself is 'educational' and reader is the one being taught is probably the main case where mixed might work well if all three can be options. As an alternative, it could just be based on the gender depicted in it. Clearly M&F in that case, but if it only showed images of disembodied dicks it would be M, or if only uterus/ovaries, F.
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post Sep 1 2022, 10:17
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QUOTE(Shank @ Aug 31 2022, 10:11) *

Mixed would probably be if you were counting everyone in the classroom, but it was my impression from the examples I checked that it's about the one who's performing/receiving the sexual acts in order to be educated/the one being used as a material to teach. As in, focusing more on the activity, as opposed to tagging the plot itself.

I wouldn't tag people who are just sitting around doing nothing but watch, but if they were involved in the actual sexual acts, it'd be easier just tagging the genders actually involved, even if it means having f:sex ed and m:sex ed in the same gallery. Even if female student a gives handjob to male student b, because that's what the curriculum of the class told her to do, it's not female teaching male, it's both female and male being taught, so it'd be both f & m instead of mixed.

Mixed would only make sense if you were bringing the teacher into the equation, doing mixed when the teacher is a different gender to the student, in which case almost all the time it's going to be mixed, but I don't think there's any point in that or that it would make for good searchability. I also can't say with 100% confidence there's no situations that could happen where a teacher isn't involved (such as learning from written material).

Fair, I only clicked some in the examples like http://ehentaihip.com/g/855910/c339e5c670/ which is both genders, as well as all galleries I've seen in the past including both (my search may be biased tho...).

As a result I thought mixed would be best for a lot of content, but you're right, we can just have both m: and f: in the same gallery. But then their presence would have to be counted indivudally so you could end up with some edge cases where the content is split between genders and neither gets tagged.


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post Sep 2 2022, 06:21
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QUOTE(Shank @ Aug 31 2022, 12:11) *

Mixed would probably be if you were counting everyone in the classroom, but it was my impression from the examples I checked that it's about the one who's performing/receiving the sexual acts in order to be educated/the one being used as a material to teach. As in, focusing more on the activity, as opposed to tagging the plot itself.

I wouldn't tag people who are just sitting around doing nothing but watch, but if they were involved in the actual sexual acts, it'd be easier just tagging the genders actually involved, even if it means having f:sex ed and m:sex ed in the same gallery. Even if female student a gives handjob to male student b, because that's what the curriculum of the class told her to do, it's not female teaching male, it's both female and male being taught, so it'd be both f & m instead of mixed.

Mixed would only make sense if you were bringing the teacher into the equation, doing mixed when the teacher is a different gender to the student, in which case almost all the time it's going to be mixed, but I don't think there's any point in that or that it would make for good searchability. I also can't say with 100% confidence there's no situations that could happen where a teacher isn't involved (such as learning from written material).


What about using the same rule from incest?
m: or f: only if it involves teacher/student from same sex and x: for mixed cases.
I think that this is better than the tag based on the teacher or the student, as it align better with hetero, yaoi, and yuri, and it will not usually require an additional tag to filter what most users want.
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post Sep 2 2022, 06:38
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What about scenarios like http://ehentaihip.com/g/992561/53196e541f/?

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That seems like it would exclude it. If so, this is a pretty common scenario that's vaguely related. Might cause confusion.


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post Sep 2 2022, 07:07
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QUOTE(pork:zero @ Sep 2 2022, 00:38) *

What about scenarios like http://ehentaihip.com/g/992561/53196e541f/?
That seems like it would exclude it. If so, this is a pretty common scenario that's vaguely related. Might cause confusion.

Wouldn't that work fit 'deception' or 'clueless' better?

https://ehwiki.org/action/edit/deception
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post Sep 3 2022, 16:35
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QUOTE(pork:zero @ Sep 1 2022, 22:38) *

What about scenarios like http://ehentaihip.com/g/992561/53196e541f/?
That seems like it would exclude it. If so, this is a pretty common scenario that's vaguely related. Might cause confusion.

I don't think this fits the fetish. So that would be good that it doesn't fit.


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