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post Dec 30 2017, 13:22
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What exactly should I do with my superior equipment mmm...~?

So far I've been salvaging all equipment below superior quality mmm....

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post Dec 30 2017, 13:48
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QUOTE(VawX @ Dec 30 2017, 12:22) *

What exactly should I do with my superior equipment mmm...~?

So far I've been salvaging all equipment below superior quality mmm....


just sell it to bazaar. Use HV Utils script if you really want to see for each item if salvage would be better than selling. But it's all about very small numbers of credits.
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post Dec 30 2017, 14:23
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QUOTE(Cryosite @ Dec 30 2017, 11:28) *

As explained above, INT is pretty much useless to you. It's fine where it is.

int is useful for cheap SP points, which is used for, uh... Spirit Shield, Spark, Spirit Stance... even if Spark and Spirit Shield work on base percentage Spirit Stance works on total amount, so having a high SP pool can still be useful.

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The only one I'd really pay much attention to beyond that is AGI. It is less useful if it is below your level; if it is above your level it adds to your attack speed. Though if it goes above double your level, it stops increasing your attack speed. So it might be good to have a goal to raise your agi to that and keep it in that window for the most efficiency.

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actually people raise AGI for Evade, not for Speed. between Haste and AGI/eventual Speed rolls a DWer should have enough Speed already, and boosting AGI to double your level is simply a waste of firepower, i guess.

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post Dec 30 2017, 15:13
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 30 2017, 04:23) *

int is useful for cheap SP points, which is used for, uh... Spirit Shield, Spark, Spirit Stance... even if Spark and Spirit Shield work on base percentage Spirit Stance works on total amount, so having a high SP pool can still be useful.


Incorrect.

I said "pretty much useless" and still someone has to chime in. Raising SP solely for more Spirit Stance is not useful. You will always run into issues with OC before you run into issues with SP. You will wind up with more than enough SP from just raising the stats that matter.

It is worthless to advise people of that, and we really should be saying, "it's useless don't do it." Even if there is technically a very tiny not actually useful mechanic to do it.

Also, the use of raising INT, i.e. base SP, is mechanically and factually 100% useless for Spirit Shield, Spark of Life, and the efficiency of restoratives. The only way to increase their effectiveness is Spirit Tank. Not INT.

The value of ~350 INT for a melee build is nearly zero. I would easily say even 1 more Endurence, Dexterity, Strength, or Agility (if non 1h) is worth more. Yes, even 1 stat point. That is how little use the SP from INT is.
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post Dec 30 2017, 15:23
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Dec 30 2017, 18:48) *

just sell it to bazaar. Use HV Utils script if you really want to see for each item if salvage would be better than selling. But it's all about very small numbers of credits.


Ah ok thanks mmm...

Btw which script shows you the total drop after arena clear mmm...~?
I used that long time ago and now all script are gone so I just installed some but I can't really find that one mmm...
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post Dec 30 2017, 15:32
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QUOTE(VawX @ Dec 30 2017, 05:23) *

Ah ok thanks mmm...

Btw which script shows you the total drop after arena clear mmm...~?
I used that long time ago and now all script are gone so I just installed some but I can't really find that one mmm...


Monsterbation does that and many other very useful things.
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post Dec 30 2017, 15:35
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Can you tell me the golden ration to distribute the Experience Points for DWer?
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post Dec 30 2017, 16:20
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Just bought Legendary Tempestuous Rapier of Slaughter for 5.8M (will resell when I hit 420~ and switch to mage). Need to IW, but my current rapier is worse than trash; my clear speed is ridiculously slow, even on Hell. Is there a good IW service that's not going to ruin my bank? I'd be willing to pay up to 2M~ for Butcher/Fatality 5/4 (not picky on which is 5 or 4, though I think Butcher is preferable - also assuming it's Fatality that's preferable among the others). If this doesn't exist for a good price, I'll just do it myself.

Also, tried out Hell IW and got Overpower (ofc). Is there any benefit to giving it to someone for Dark Descent reforge? It only costs one Amnesia, so I don't see how DD will help if it halves, unless IW1 rounds down to free?

Final question: my current rapier has pretty awful potencies, but has decent stats, so I'd like to sell it. I don't think it would be worth paying for the amnesia shards to reset potencies, although feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. What can I expect to get for it, if anything (i.e. assuming people will care enough for the gear to reset/ignore until they can upgrade like I did)?

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Edit: referring to my previous rapier that I'm asking the value of, the clear speed is trash for me because I'm 70~ levels higher than it. Was quite decent when I was lower, so feel free to bid if you see it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)
2nd Edit: regarding the pricecheck, I'm more interested in whether it's worth resetting potencies or selling as-is. If you want to include a possible PC, I'd appreciate it, but it's not as important a question.

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post Dec 30 2017, 16:48
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usually 500k to 1m for a 5/4 depending actual runs. If u can't do IW at IWBTH or PFD, then sending to IW shop is more preferred.

no, no benefit.

sell it. It's a balance.
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post Dec 30 2017, 17:08
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QUOTE(Zomnus @ Dec 30 2017, 21:20) *

Just bought Legendary Tempestuous Rapier of Slaughter for 5.8M (will resell when I hit 420~ and switch to mage). Need to IW, but my current rapier is worse than trash; my clear speed is ridiculously slow, even on Hell. Is there a good IW service that's not going to ruin my bank? I'd be willing to pay up to 2M~ for Butcher/Fatality 5/4 (not picky on which is 5 or 4, though I think Butcher is preferable - also assuming it's Fatality that's preferable among the others). If this doesn't exist for a good price, I'll just do it myself.

Also, tried out Hell IW and got Overpower (ofc). Is there any benefit to giving it to someone for Dark Descent reforge? It only costs one Amnesia, so I don't see how DD will help if it halves, unless IW1 rounds down to free?

Final question: my current rapier has pretty awful potencies, but has decent stats, so I'd like to sell it. I don't think it would be worth paying for the amnesia shards to reset potencies, although feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. What can I expect to get for it, if anything (i.e. assuming people will care enough for the gear to reset/ignore until they can upgrade like I did)?

Thanks. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

Edit: referring to my previous rapier that I'm asking the value of, the clear speed is trash for me because I'm 70~ levels higher than it. Was quite decent when I was lower, so feel free to bid if you see it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)
2nd Edit: regarding the pricecheck, I'm more interested in whether it's worth resetting potencies or selling as-is. If you want to include a possible PC, I'd appreciate it, but it's not as important a question.

how about i buy it for 70k?

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post Dec 30 2017, 17:48
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QUOTE(-vincento- @ Dec 31 2017, 01:48) *

usually 500k to 1m for a 5/4 depending actual runs. If u can't do IW at IWBTH or PFD, then sending to IW shop is more preferred.


Any idea as to which shop is best for this? I was looking at ariosity just before and he wanted 6M for dual potency (not specifying a specific lvl 5 potency, i.e. could fat5/butcher4). The calc also gives 513K/IW10 if I'm reading correctly, so I think your estimate may be a few mill off unless I'm completely lost. I can do IWBTH/PFD, but it's not efficient at all (literally an hour or so per 89 round, albeit with pleb-tier 1.5t/s 'cause latency). I think just going for Butcher 5/Fatality 2-3 is a better option, but the resale value will tank. Something to think about, I guess. Thanks for your help regardless.

QUOTE(kangaeruthing @ Dec 31 2017, 02:08) *

how about i buy it for 70k?


Is that an offer? Someone wanted to buy it off me literally as I was typing this; I'm probably going to put it to auction in Super or Kadama's once I know I have an IW10 on the Tempestuous. Thanks for your interest though.

Edit: Sorry, when I read your original post (kangae), it wasn't clear you were offering to buy (probably why you edited (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ). Regardless, yeah, it's prob going to auction.

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post Dec 30 2017, 17:50
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QUOTE(Zomnus @ Dec 30 2017, 15:20) *

Just bought Legendary Tempestuous Rapier of Slaughter for 5.8M (will resell when I hit 420~ and switch to mage). Need to IW, but my current rapier is worse than trash; my clear speed is ridiculously slow, even on Hell. Is there a good IW service that's not going to ruin my bank? I'd be willing to pay up to 2M~ for Butcher/Fatality 5/4 (not picky on which is 5 or 4, though I think Butcher is preferable - also assuming it's Fatality that's preferable among the others). If this doesn't exist for a good price, I'll just do it myself.

Damn you paid a lot for that Rapier.
Anyway, a 2 potency IW will ruin your bank almost for sure, i think they go for like 5 millions or so right now.
You could try asking DJNoni though, i heard he does some exclusive IW service right now.

QUOTE(Zomnus @ Dec 30 2017, 15:20) *

Also, tried out Hell IW and got Overpower (ofc). Is there any benefit to giving it to someone for Dark Descent reforge? It only costs one Amnesia, so I don't see how DD will help if it halves, unless IW1 rounds down to free?

No reason for DD at IW1, only from IW 2 and over it halves down the shard cost and rounds up [IW1, IW2, IW3, IW4, ...] -> [1 shard, 1 sh, 2 sh, 2 sh, ...]

QUOTE(Zomnus @ Dec 30 2017, 15:20) *

Final question: my current rapier has pretty awful potencies, but has decent stats, so I'd like to sell it. I don't think it would be worth paying for the amnesia shards to reset potencies, although feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. What can I expect to get for it, if anything (i.e. assuming people will care enough for the gear to reset/ignore until they can upgrade like I did)?

Not worth resetting it, imho.
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post Dec 30 2017, 18:15
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Dec 31 2017, 02:50) *

Damn you paid a lot for that Rapier.
Anyway, a 2 potency IW will ruin your bank almost for sure, i think they go for like 5 millions or so right now.
You could try asking DJNoni though, i heard he does some exclusive IW service right now.
No reason for DD at IW1, only from IW 2 and over it halves down the shard cost and rounds up [IW1, IW2, IW3, IW4, ...] -> [1 shard, 1 sh, 2 sh, 2 sh, ...]
Not worth resetting it, imho.


Thanks for your feedback/answers! I'm not well-known enough to warrant private prices, nor would I expect to receive it. I'd probably pay 5M for a guaranteed But5/Fat4 though, given the current market. I really wish I'd started playing/got to the point where I could use Super's service (I think?) before he stopped doing IW; those were 10/10 prices. And yeah, it was really expensive; I remember when a similar stat Ethereal went for 2M when I started playing. Prices seem absurd now.

DD explanation makes perfect sense. Thank you.

Yeah, resetting didn't seem at all worth it, even with base ADB being quite decent (from memory) coupled with low level.
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post Dec 30 2017, 18:25
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QUOTE(Zomnus @ Dec 30 2017, 17:15) *

I really wish I'd started playing/got to the point where I could use Super's service (I think?) before he stopped doing IW; those were 10/10 prices.

Yeah, Super and Vivi IW services were amazing.

QUOTE(Zomnus @ Dec 30 2017, 17:15) *

And yeah, it was really expensive; I remember when a similar stat Ethereal went for 2M when I started playing. Prices seem absurd now.

This week's auctions went even more out of expectations than usual imho.

QUOTE(Zomnus @ Dec 30 2017, 17:15) *

DD explanation makes perfect sense. Thank you.

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QUOTE(Zomnus @ Dec 30 2017, 17:15) *

Yeah, resetting didn't seem at all worth it, even with base ADB being quite decent (from memory) coupled with low level.

Yeah, rolls seem nice, if only instead of Butcher it had Fatality it would be much better, but the resetting cost isn't really worth the weapon.
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post Dec 30 2017, 18:31
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right now the only ones openly taking double requests and that you can probably afford are ariosty and decondelite, as far as I know <( ̄︶ ̄)>

for people who do not want/can do IW but have no money you can alway get try getting a fat/butt (*/▽\*) playing on hell (you will unlock a single potency) and afterwards send to one of the IW services that do simple runs (like lololo16's) and ask him to do runs until a non fat-butt (*ノ▽ノ) potency appears, then send back, you send for reforge and repeat ad infinitum

I suppose that with 2M you will probably be able to get a double potency request, following what existed in Vivikinomoto's and Kinight's IW logs on their respective WTS sections
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post Dec 30 2017, 19:16
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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Dec 31 2017, 03:31) *

right now the only ones openly taking double requests and that you can probably afford are ariosty and decondelite, as far as I know <( ̄︶ ̄)>

for people who do not want/can do IW but have no money you can alway get try getting a fat/butt (*/▽\*) playing on hell (you will unlock a single potency) and afterwards send to one of the IW services that do simple runs (like lololo16's) and ask him to do runs until a non fat-butt (*ノ▽ノ) potency appears, then send back, you send for reforge and repeat ad infinitum

I suppose that with 2M you will probably be able to get a double potency request, following what existed in Vivikinomoto's and Kinight's IW logs on their respective WTS sections


Thank you for your input. Each time I receive a response, the more I think, "why not just pay the 6M and get dual potencies?" Then I think to myself, "why didn't I buy something cheap to speed me up temporarily and just IW it for normal potencies ala B3+/hollowforge, then transition without major financial imposition at 420?" Hindsight is the birth of buyer's remorse.

I think I'll see if I can find someone willing to do at/under 5M in the next few days and just go for the B5+F4 (or, I s'pose, B4+F5). If not, I'll grind and get enough liquid for Arios' service. The 'ad infinitum' aspect of the lololo16 suggestion is scary; I think I'd prefer a set cap on what I pay, rather than continue to burn a hole in my metaphorical wallet semi-permanently.

So, decision:
1. Try find guaranteed sub 5M dual potency seller; if not, Arios.
2. Sell at 400-410~ and buy a pleb-tier rapier (50%+ ADB) with a quick IW for hollowforge.
3. Sell pleb-tier rapier at 420-440~ and make my 1H>Mage transition sans surgery.

Thanks for all the ideas; I'm now informed enough to make more decisions I'll regret. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)
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post Dec 30 2017, 19:49
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Around Level 473, with Assimilator 16, the proficiency(s) I use seemed to have top off at 47/48 levels above my Level.

It's basically stayed the same into Level 476.... starting at 47 levels above, ending in 48 levels above.

Does this mathematically make sense?

I'm conflicted on raising my Assimilator to 17.
The extra 10% would get it slowly exceeding my Level again.
If I let Assimilator ride at 16, I'm assuming my Level will eventually start exceeding proficiency gain.
(IE -> Proficiency drops from 47/48 levels above to 46/47 levels above and continue downward.)

The cost of Assimilator 17 is just a touch over 3m, and that's like 90 Crystal packs.

I'll be hitting LVL 500 probably around 2nd quarter 2018.
At 500, it will obviously start rising above by default.

My desire for a higher proficiency is my divine is presently ~0.83, and I need to be at 1.0.
And of course, that's because I don't have a decent charged cotton in the desired spot, and I'm waiting it out.

Should I just leave Assimilator at 16 at my level and just let it ride?
Or is it worth the 3m?
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Should I just leave Assimilator at 16 at my level and just let it ride?
Or is it worth the 3m?

I'd say let it ride.
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post Dec 30 2017, 20:06
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QUOTE(RoadShoe @ Dec 30 2017, 15:49) *

Does this mathematically make sense?

My elemental has been ~1.075-1.085 times my level since lvl 38X
Right now, 1.087 and I have assimilator only at 2. ヾ( `ー´)シφ__

From the stats posted in that thread, there were people that mainly played 1H whose calculation was also around this much ~1.085

So probably what makes ┐(︶▽︶)┌ sense is a set prof/level ratio depending on your assimilator.


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QUOTE(Zomnus @ Dec 30 2017, 12:48) *

I'm probably going to put it to auction in Super or Kadama's once I know I have an IW10 on the Tempestuous.

Regardless, yeah, it's prob going to auction.

Yes, send it to auction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

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