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This is the thread for discussion of my auctions. For a while, most discussion had been going on in the Ask the Experts thread where I usually hang out, but I figured it was time to create a dedicated topic more suited to the purpose.

Feel free to make post suggestions, complaints, comments, or anything remotely related to auctions in general. The more feedback, the better - this is all for you guys, after all.

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Should the minimum bid increments be changed? Post #5+

Don't send trash that has no chance of getting bid on Post #60+

Limit of 3 proxy bids due to minimum increment advantage Post #94+

This post has been edited by Superlatanium: Nov 2 2016, 01:02

Can we put a rules about expunging recurrent submissions?

Yeah. If I see something that gets sent more than a couple times I reject it, but there's so much stuff that it's not easy to remember and check everything. Although, there are a few users who abuse this more than others, and I should really be keeping a closer eye on them...

This post has been edited by Superlatanium: Jul 2 2016, 17:53

Another solution would be to have another auction with lower minimum bid where equips that are not really worth 50k could actually be sold after the first try, but that's another story entirely.

i like the backshop auction idea. but you should also consider if the item wasn't sold because of both too high price and too high level for that quality, only one of these reasons, etc etc. a whole lot of new criterias

Yeah. If I see something that gets sent more than a couple times I reject it, but there's so much stuff that it's not easy to remember and check everything. Although, there are a few users who abuse this more than others, and I should really be keeping a closer eye on them...

so this happens because your accepter script fetches everything it founds in your MM and eventually rejects the unsold items at the end of the auction, right?
you may simply introduce sort of a EID check, but this will basically mean your script should also create a database. harder to mantain, longer time needed to create auction thread, higher chances for mistakes...

My ears are buzzing

i like the backshop auction idea. but you should also consider if the item wasn't sold because of both too high price and too high level for that quality, only one of these reasons, etc etc. a whole lot of new criterias

I have thought about something like this before. It's possible, but I think a lot of the time, something that the moderately rich auction participants won't bid on for 50k wouldn't be desired even if the price was 20k or something (except for HGC salvage). 50k is pennies.

There's just so much gear being generated, but each player only really needs 6 or 7 equips. Even if they use multiple styles, that's still only a small handful of gears, many of which can be acquired quite easily. Maybe, it's not so much that a 50k price doesn't meet demand, but that there's no (or almost no) demand in the first place at any price.

For a few items, there would be a tiny bit of demand. Still, there would probably be quite a lot of those low-quality equips, the vast majority of which probably wouldn't get any interest at all. For me at least, it's not something worth setting up. More administration, some annoying code to write, but only a tiny bit of actual results for anyone (sellers, buyers, or me).

By the way - I was vaguely thinking about how much easier everything would be for me if the minimum bid was 150k instead of 50k. I could happily reject many things instead of trying to be nice and give people the benefit of the doubt on an item's auction viability. (Don't worry, I'm not actually going to do this)

so this happens because your accepter script fetches everything it founds in your MM and eventually rejects the unsold items at the end of the auction, right?
you may simply introduce sort of a EID check, but this will basically mean your script should also create a database. harder to mantain, longer time needed to create auction thread, higher chances for mistakes...

Annoying. I think I'll just remember to keep my eye out, since there are only one or two certain users who try to abuse the system like that. Worst case, I'll SmartSearch the eids manually.

This post has been edited by Superlatanium: Jul 2 2016, 22:09

With all the respect possible, I don't see the problem how you people see it.

Seriously, if some stuff is trash, the problem isn't really of mine, the one who sends the stuff (AND ANYWAY, every mag+ item get sold sooner or later, even if crappy), but of the way the stuff gets filtered and auctioned or returned.

Is an item really trash? Just return it, it will be sent to someone else that will auction it and get the fee in your place when it gets sold (without any grudge obv)

Is an item sellable? It gets accepted.


If I were you, I wouldn't make such a fuss for some mag power gauntlets, while rubbish like this gets auctioned and ignored, while my mag estoc that has L-stats and 11 more base adb (unforged) got rejected twice

Don't blame people who send stuff for auctions, they are only going to increase the participation by adding stuff to buy, just blame the filtering system/rules.

This post has been edited by ppp82p: Jul 3 2016, 00:10

Easy, dude. Honestly though, I can understand that people are slighlty annoyed if an item appears in several consecutive auctions. People check auctions for NEW stuff, which is one of the main differences to shops. So at the very least, why not wait a couple weeks before entering an item again? Give new people some time to level up, so that an actual demand can build up again. You can also open a shop and try to sell items that were rejected that way.

why not wait a couple weeks before entering an item again

Salvaging is more profitable then

Maybe a separate section for Mag- items? I think most people who browse auctions are looking for their single end game piece rather than something that'll be replaced.

Is an item really trash? Just return it, it will be sent to someone else that will auction it and get the fee in your place when it gets sold (without any grudge obv)

Which fee?
Both auctions are free until 250/300k and I don't see any mag power of [not slaughter] getting that much credits.

Just open a shop if you want to sell some stuff people are not really buying.
That's how all the rest of the people here are doing "business".

If everyone started submitting their mag crap over and over again auctions would have 200+ items easily, which would be kind of annoying.
Nothing more.

And anyway, I just posted that because it was the sixth time in a row you submitted those gauntlets.
Come on man, you should see by yourself that it would be impossible to have auctions if everyone did the same thing.

Which fee?
Both auctions are free until 250/300k and I don't see any mag power of [not slaughter] getting that much credits.

Just open a shop if you want to sell some stuff people are not really buying.
That's how all the rest of the people here are doing "business".

If everyone started submitting their mag crap over and over again auctions would have 200+ items easily, which would be kind of annoying.
Nothing more.

And anyway, I just posted that because it was the sixth time in a row you submitted those gauntlets.
Come on man, you should see by yourself that it would be impossible to have auctions if everyone did the same thing.

I see, you are already in the "bazaar phase"
I never send one item to auction (it's useless)...50k+50k+50k...and then somehow, 300k is surpassed.
Auction, for MOST people, are passive income from non-completely-trash-but-somehow-interesting-for-someone-maybe-stuff.
The only item I sold after months is a waki of swiftness, everything else, crap or not, got sold in some weeks, so, where is the problem?
Item returned? Welp, some times is because it's bad, sometimes it's because the auction is overloaded, what's the problem of sending it next week? If it gets accepted then, it means it's ok to auction it.
Are you seriously thinking that most people that offers in auctions is people who searches for flawless stuff to complete final equipments? No, those are the few people that bid war on the very few excellent stuff.
The other ones are either mid levels that make low bids on almost everything, the other ones are people that bid to take stuff for cheap and put in eternal oblivion in their shop just to show them off.

The point is...does someone get irritated by the fact I send them stuff? Yes? I'll just stop and make someone else gain credits (other than myself as the seller).

Really, if I really want I can make my own auction, I already did some of those and sold well too, but if someone kindly offers mass auctioning, why shouldn't I use it? Mooglemail of auction returns says "thank you for using my auction, feel free to send items at any time"...so

I don't really get what advantage would someone like super get saying "you're not free to send me stuff that SATISFIES my own auction rules I wrote on my own post"

This post has been edited by ppp82p: Jul 3 2016, 01:18

Since you're not really replying to the points I'm making I'll assume you're not really interested in discussing this and stop wasting both my and your time.

And well, even if Super returns your 6 time already submitted gauntlets I'm sure you can send to other auctioneers who will return the item because they are doing auctions manually and your item just waste a lot of their time for the incredible profit of 0 credits.
Good luck with that

A lot of HV is based on trust. If something doesn't sell in an auction, let alone multiple, please use common sense and don't keep sending it. It was repeatedly listed not because I thought it was worth listing again and again, but because there are too many items to memorize and I didn't notice; more importantly, I want to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they'll be courteous as well.

This isn't the first time you've repeatedly sent stuff that apparently doesn't get minimum bid, I remember asking you not to do it some time before.

every mag+ item get sold sooner or later, even if crappy

Crappy Mag stuff often just rots in shops for ages until the shop owner decides to trash it. Sometimes it'll sell in a shop, often it won't. There's never any guarantee of selling anything that's not at least moderately decent.

Just return it, it will be sent to someone else that will auction it and get the fee in your place when it gets sold

If it doesn't sell in one auction, then odds are very high it'll only take up space an another auction, no matter who or when the auction is being hosted. I would suggest being courteous and taking the hint after the first time no one wants it, rather than abusing the system in the faint hope of a tiny chance at getting 50k out of it. If you want to hang onto it, better to just put it in a shop.

I'm pretty sure everyone else (buyers, sellers, and auctioneers) thinks the same.

You should've said it before. I'll keep it in mind. That's a pity, anyway.

Not long ago I saw in a topic few people asking to change the auction closing time. The main reason is that for some, probably living on the west coast of the United States, the time is early. Thinking about it, it would be appropriate to postpone for 1 or 2 hours closing time?

For comparison I made a short list of the schedules in some locations (times checked on a website).

Current time of closing of the auction:

04:00 USA (Hawaii)
07:00 USA (San Francisco)
10:00 USA (New York)
11:00 Brazil
15:00 England
18:00 Russia (Moscow)
22:00 China (Beijing / Hong Kong)
23:00 South Korea / Japan
00:00 Australia (Sydney)

If postpone in 1 hour:

05:00 USA (Hawaii)
08:00 USA (San Francisco)
11:00 USA (New York)
12:00 Brazil
16:00 England
19:00 Russia (Moscow)
23:00 China (Beijing / Hong Kong)
00:00 South Korea / Japan
01:00 Australia (Sydney)

If postpone in 2 hour:

06:00 USA (Hawaii)
09:00 USA (San Francisco)
12:00 USA (New York)
13:00 Brazil
17:00 England
20:00 Russia (Moscow)
00:00 China (Beijing / Hong Kong)
01:00 South Korea / Japan
02:00 Australia (Sydney)

In the case of Hawaii no change helps. For those who live on the west coast helps a little, without sacrificing much who lives in Asia, especially taking in consideration is a time between Saturday and Sunday. Considering also the fact that maybe most people do not have to work or study on Sunday, and so can stay up later in the last night.

Oh, and I am also considering that these people who have asked to change prefer to manual bidding in the auction, instead of using the proxy bid.

For me does not change anything because I live in Brazil. I'm giving this suggestion more thinking on a schedule that can satisfactorily contemplate as many locales as possible, with a minimum of disadvantage.

This post has been edited by Basara Nekki: Jul 5 2016, 02:27

Not long ago I saw in a topic few people asking to change the auction closing time. The main reason is that for some, probably living on the west coast of the United States, the time is early. Thinking about it, it would be appropriate to postpone for 1 or 2 hours closing time?

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I thought about it, but I'm pretty sure 14:00 is better due to the relatively large number of players in the Far East. There are more players to cater to who live in China + Japan + Korea (+ Australia etc?) than those who live on the west coast of the US. No matter the auction end time, there will be some players who will be inconvenienced, but I believe 14:00 inconveniences the fewest.

Still, in an auction, bid timing should not have an effect on the winner of an item - only the secret max bid of each player should matter. If players don't proxy bid and subsequently fail to win an item they'd have been willing to pay more for, despite my advertising and encouraging proxy bids so much - or if they attempt to snipe or counter-snipe and don't wake up or get off work in time - then I don't have a whole lot of sympathy. (If they understand English or can read any of the rules' languages, of course.)

Thanks for answering. I knew I had seen her comment, but did not remember where! I also do not remember whether it was a definitive decision, so I posted this suggestion. Sorry any bother.

wait a second, my last bid was 2943k

shouldn't the next bid be +3% = 3031.29k ?

Why is the current bid of 3000k?

If nothing else, I think I'll be making proxy bidders immune to the minimum bid increment (except when the proxy bid has just been submitted). It's something I'd been considering about how to implement for a while, even before this whole discussion got started.

Proxy bidders bid their maximum before folding, even if that last bid is below the minimum bid increment. It's been that way for a while. It's because in the following not-uncommon situation:

A submits a proxy bid for 1m on Wednesday
B waits until the last minute to bid on Saturday and bids 960k

A deserves to be winning at the end more than B.

It was more of a problem back when the minimum increment was +10%, but having this logic in place is still better than the alternative. Proxy bidders are already subject to the minimum bid increment once when the bid is first submitted.

Of course, this is only something you would see once, probably, on a proxy bidder's last bid. And with the next bid being +3%, which isn't much, it's quite unlikely to have an effect on the winner of an item - it's mostly just removing a certain small disadvantage proxy bidders had.

Say, is it possible for someone to repeatedly enter a proxy bid of

(current price *1.03*1.03+1000)

so that, that person wins by (2nd highest bid+1k credits) instead of (>=2nd highest bid+3%)

or better yet, just proxy bid (current price +1000)

This post has been edited by LOL50015: Jul 13 2016, 16:15

Say, is it possible for someone to repeatedly enter a proxy bid of

(current price *1.03*1.03+1000)

so that, that person wins by (2nd highest bid+1k credits) instead of (>=2nd highest bid+3%)

Not if the other adds a proxy bid (current price *1.03*1.03+2000).
Since you're never proxy bidding just for 1.03% there's no real problem, unless you don't proxy bid your max amount (at that point why are you even proxy bidding?).

It can screw manual bidding in this way, but I guess it's "by design".

or better yet, just proxy bid (current price +1000)

You cannot, when you proxy bid you have to put at least current price * 1.03.
And even then the system warns you because you may not be inserting the real maximum bid.

This post has been edited by Sapo84: Jul 13 2016, 16:21