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Exhibitionism
Definiton:
Nudity or sexual activities with a risk of getting caught by strangers. Also blatant exposure to strangers.

Redefinition request:
Nudity or sexual activities with blatant exposure to strangers/third-parties.


Exhibitionism case 0:
When Sex in public is the participants’ choice and both shows willingness for third-party viewers. It might invoke Netorare or Swinging. It might invoke Filming.

Exhibitionism case 1:
When Sex in public as a usual or traditional and it is acceptable by majority including third-parties. Observed mostly on sex fantasy settings (kingdoms/cities/islands/sex amusement parks) or near a Brothel’s vicinity. Where STD's don’t exist somehow (or does it...).

Suggestion: Add Tag/Add Misc Customary Exhibitionism.

Exhibitionism case 2:
Sex in public as a thrill of risk of being caught. An Outdoor Sex (semi-consensual/consensual) without getting caught intentionally. It would be for outdoor fun or participants were impatient. The story might end up being caught but/or getting away with it. It might invoke Hidden Sex, Chikan, or Voyuerism. Some Hidden Sex can be on a beachside, public food stalls, or bushes.

Suggestion: Add Tag/Add Misc Venturesome Exhibitionism.

Exhibitionism case 3:
Sex in public in a request/dare and the participant’s unwilling to be caught on sight by third parties (similar to case 2). Ends up caught anyway. Rape by third-parties is also a probable situation since Swinging is consensual. It might invoke Humiliation and Blackmail.

Suggestion: Combo Tagging by Exhibitionism + Humiliation, Exhibitionism + Blackmail, or Exhibitionism + Rape
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It’s a bit of a lacking post since i made this in 3 hours.
I wish everyone will review, rewrite, and expands this idea of this thread/post.
You could add another case that I might not know or case I missed.
I hope the greater Moderators would take notice and action.

Earlier Thread: /index.php?showt...26837&st=40

This post has been edited by Sigeg_Lolo: Feb 25 2020, 13:09

Seems like Cases #1-2 deal with the same thing in general (no embarrassment). I would rather shave off "public sex" from exhibitionism's slave tags and let that take over such a territory.

CODE

public sex
|type=Activity
|subtype1=Privacy
|description=Sexual activities performed in full view of strangers.
|note=Not to be confused with exhibitionism (although it may lead to this).

Find it troublesome because:

1. To remove the blatantly exposure part out of Exhibitionism [Nudity or sexual activities with a risk of getting caught by strangers], sounds too similar to Hidden sex [Sexual acts occurring within the immediate presence of a third party but which goes unseen], except for the nudity.
2. On Sigeg stuff, I only see the same consent/willing problem than before, which can be helped with a forced exhibitionism. [Forcing someone into nudity or sexual activities with a risk of getting caught by strangers. Also blatant exposing them to someone else]
3. "Strangers" remain a worry. Having sex in front of the class would disqualify for them not being strangers. It would avoid tagging it on familiars or friends and the like (Even when it is being tagged on those scenarios because public exposure is more important than the relationship between characters), that's why Red suggested "non-participants" and "anyone who's not an intimate partner". But "Others" and "Anyone/somebody else" works fine too.

Pretty much what SM said. Particularly the 1. and 3. are issues.
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Sexual activities performed in full view of str angers does eliminate traditional blatant exposure or getting off by having sex in front of non-strangers. Too limited.

The recent proposal by LucKy-X-1989 in the main thread may be an elegant way of dealing with this and allowing for nuanced searching.

Please copy any applicable proposals to this thread.

This post has been edited by Maximum_Joe: Jan 19 2020, 04:28

I love this can of worms, the exhibitionism tag is really hard to get right as I got side tracked into talking about what is and is not exhibitionism when I suggested a new casual nudity tag some time back, and I think I have a better grasp on the situation now after trying to come up with a way to tag my own downloaded doujinshi and manga for it.

So first off, I personally would define exhibitionism as a person getting a thrill or becoming aroused from either being seen or nearly being seen by others, not the act of just being nude in an unconventional situation. To capture this I'd suggest creating two new tags to go along with the exhibitionism tag:

"exposure" - A individual voluntarily carrying out an activity nude either directly in front of others or with a risk of being seen by others in an situation / place where the individual would not normally be nude *(in front of individuals they are not in an intimate relationship with)

"forced exposure" - A individual forced / blackmailed into to carrying out an activity nude either directly in front of others or with a risk of being seen by others in an situation / place where the individual would not normally be nude *(in front of individuals they are not in an intimate relationship with)

The intention of these two tags is to capture the baseline someone is doing something somewhere in the nude and making the distinction between them either being forced or voluntarily carrying out this act of exposure, these would be parent tags, so for exhibitionism to take place you need to have either exposure tagged or forced exposure tagged first.

exhibitionism - An individual engaged in an act of exposure or forced exposure where they're deriving arousal / a thrill from the act of being exposed

So now you have a child tag of exhibitionism for when you can visibly tell that a person is getting a thrill from the situation they're in or is doing it for the purpose of a thrill i.e. flashing in a trench coat etc. In most cases, you can see the girl "leaking" down her leg or getting visibly red in the face / touching herself that would cross over into exhibitionism.

With these three tags we should then be able to easily pick out all the unique situations:
- nudists, casual nudity? - just search for exposure on its own and filter out any exhibitionism
- humiliation play stuff? - forced nudity with / without the exhibitionism tag

Also I disagree with one thing that was said above, exhibitionism can be forced it doesn't always have to be voluntary there are plenty of works where a girl may be forced to strip and ends up getting aroused from having to be nude.

*I do like the distinction made above about the one seeing not being an intimate partner, but I think it's kind of pointless, the moment one of the partners steps nude outside the bedroom I'd honestly like to see the tag on the work as someone walking around their house nude where their partner might see is still hot because it's sort of unconventional.

Lastly some examples of each tag (and some of these works contain more than one type where the first part guys just play nude then they forced the girls to be nude also so would get a tag for both types but on different namespaces):

exposure -
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1112966/513854480b/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/784788/059bfa1b46/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/683221/4b232fad26/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/668212/06e4619037/

forced exposure -
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1538462/625b576a0d/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/812827/055d5cd629/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/866802/d39520e644/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/676145/4912d19a54/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/854185/136b066203/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/687361/68195038f2/

exhibitionism:
http://ehentaihip.com/g/382286/cfd4738bcb/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/940814/c0abfba47f/

I think those three tags would solve our problems rather elegantly.

This post has been edited by Red_Piotrus: Jan 23 2020, 12:57

Just so we're all clear on this:

exposure = voluntary
forced exposure = involuntary
exhibitionism = involuntary + embarrassed

Still seems like 1 tag too many right now. As I said earlier I'm fine with regulating voluntary cases to their own tag to start. If that is successful enough we can try splitting whether the participant is embarrassed or enjoying the activity.

I think those three tags would solve our problems rather elegantly.

Hmmmm, I'd opt to have exposure/exhibitionism and forced exposure/exhibitionism. The pair of con and non-con, just that.

Okay.
Exposure assumed to be interchangable/indistinguishable with exhibitionism by most taggers.
forced exposure should revise my case 3 and case 0 (definitely add this)
public sex and outdoor sex are perceived similar to exhibitionism by majority.
Exhibitionism is (currently defined) both voluntary and involuntary exposure as long as its associated with the outdoors, and I find that its difficult to just change it because a hundred thousands of galleries were tagged by it (unless your willing to review all of them).

Currently, We have to accept this unacceptable fact;
Exhibitionism = [public sex, outdoor sex, public nudity/excretion, public exposure/humiliation, public flashing/porn filming]

I proposed Customary as a misc and as a child tag of exhibitionism. It is supposed to be unique from a common public sex.
I proposed Venturesome as a misc and as a second child tag of exhibitionism. It is supposed to be unique from a common outdoor (hidden) sex.
They should not replace exhibitionism but exist along with it.
Perhaps exposure can be incorporated into those two (depending on the opinions of majority).

SO, FOR ME!!!

Exhibitionism
Type: Activity / Visual
Sub-Type: Privacy
Description: Nudity or sexual activities with a risk of getting caught by strangers. Also blatant exposure to strangers.

Forced Exposure
Type: Activity / Visual
Sub-Type: Privacy
Description: Forced nudity or forced sexual activities with a risk of getting caught by stranger. Also blatant exposure to strangers. May invoke Blackmail, Bondage, or Humiliation.
Tag along with Exhibitionism.

Customary
Type: Activity / Visual
Sub-Type: Privacy
Description: Nudity or sexual activities in public is condoned by a non-participant third party/ies or by a setting.
with notable synonym: wide public nudity, mass outdoor orgy, sex amusement parks, sex cult, beach orgy.
Tag along with Exhibitionism.

Venturesome
Type: Activity / Visual
Sub-Type: Privacy
Description: Sexual acts occurring outdoor within the immediate presence of third parties but which goes unseen. It should not be tag if its in indoor e.g. inside of a house, garage rentals.
Tag along with Exhibitionism.


FURTHERMORE:

If participant/s are willing, it is not force exposure; its just Exhibitionism.


If a public sex without non-participant third parties condoning it, this is not Customary; its just Exhibitionism.
If a public sex consists more than two pairs without non-participant third parties condoning it, this is Customary.
If a public sex is accepted by majority because norms/cultures/tradition/law/practice of a certain place or setting, this is Customary.
If a public sex consists one or more than two pairs with non-participant viewers condemn/frown upon to it or shocked/ashamed by it, this is not Customary; its just Exhibitionism.
I fear it'll be abused for poorly/vague written story but have public sex in it.


Exhibitionism + Hidden Sex != Venturesome ; Hidden Sex is for indoor, Venturesome is for outdoor. Unless both occurs, tag both.
Outdoor Sex without immediate presence/contact of third parties but which goes unseen, It is not Venturesome; its just Exhibitionism.
Venturesome may inlcude indoors that have public access; e.g. Toilet Stalls, School Rooms, Convenience Store.

For nudity exhibitionism/casual nudity, we already have a [nude only, solo action, no penetration] tags.


NOW FOR THE GALLERIES!!!

Forced Exposure
PerhapsIDontNeedTo.png

Customary

http://ehentaihip.com/g/963136/f9a3ff3b24/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/707673/32b6978cab/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/845725/708714ff73/

Venturesome

http://ehentaihip.com/g/838213/6f298c7530/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1273107/3c45d12ebc/


THE CHANGE WOULD BE ON Y'ALL DECISIONS. I'LL BE BACH IN A MONTH.

This post has been edited by Sigeg_Lolo: Feb 25 2020, 13:08

forced exposure = involuntary
exhibitionism = voluntary

Sigh. Might as well go with the simple consensual vs forced, but keep in mind this is lumping a bunch of separate fetishes under one tag.

And please remember that exposure to non-strangers is a thing as well, so pretty please stop using 'exposure to strangers' term which precludes stuff like flashing/exposing to one's family/friends/acquaintances.

http://ehentaihip.com/g/121467/b0db017c65/ / http://ehentaihip.com/g/1103075/f16d54391b/

Just change strangers to non-participants in the current def, add some forced variant def, and I guess we will be mostly done, unless people want to propose subdefs for flashing or whatever.

This post has been edited by Red_Piotrus: Feb 4 2020, 13:14

CODE

forced exposure
|type=Activity
|subtype1=Privacy
|description=A participant's sexual activities are involuntarily performed in full view of non-participants.
|note=Not to be confused with exhibitionism.

Existing exhibitionism tag will receive the term "voluntarily" in its definition and a note to not be confused with the new tag.

This post has been edited by Maximum_Joe: Feb 6 2020, 17:06

CODE

forced exposure
|type=Activity
|subtype1=Privacy
|description=A participant's sexual activities are involuntarily performed in full view of non-participants.
|note=Not to be confused with exhibitionism.

Existing exhibitionism tag will receive the term "voluntarily" in its definition and a note to not be confused with the new tag.

Fix "strangers" in actual exhibitionism too.

All uses of the term "strangers" have been fixed.

This post has been edited by Maximum_Joe: Feb 7 2020, 18:54

Hopefully nobody will nitpick 'other individuals'. You think it's less ambiguous than my 'non-participants'?

This post has been edited by Red_Piotrus: Feb 8 2020, 00:26

The issue is that non-participants can become participants afterwards (e.g. woman shows off to them for a bit then they join in on sexing).

Activating and changing based on post 13. Let's see how it goes.

It has been a month since my last post here.
Well, at least we are done on the consensual_non-consenual issue of exhibitionism from here and there.
We have now new revised tags:

forced exposure
Description: A participant's nudity or sexual activities are involuntarily performed in full view of non-participants.

exhibitionism
Description: Voluntary nudity or sexual activities with the risk of being seen by other individuals. Also blatant exposure to other individuals.

I see my proposals were very complex to be discussed. [Customary, Venturesome]
As I was trying to extract shameless sex and outdoor sex from exhibitionism.
However, I now fully embraced its definition.

This is how it is currently defined;
Exhibitionism = [public sex, outdoor sex, public nudity/excretion, public exposure/humiliation, public flashing/porn filming]
For nudity exhibitionism/casual nudity, we already have a [nude only, solo action, no penetration] tags.

Thank you for the help, Community.
I wish to declare this thread, Close and Archived.