[X] My Assistant

Type: Costume / Visual

Description: a head covering which is worn for various reasons (warmth, fashion, uniform, etc.).

Examples:

http://ehentaihip.com/g/1207046/f88e9ea16f/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/756586/8fb8d9e8d6/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1151694/274e19d824/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1032027/e366d13659/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1010706/4be7deca1c/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/535569/f324724a31/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1228895/505b4a6bd7/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/643941/b455c96223/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/287105/39c5eca0eb/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1669626/23b04aad69/ (both male and female)
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1281785/35d7b27708/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/297906/5f68edf67e/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/910754/aefa4d698f/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1549481/d471191f22/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1560939/66ba198c8a/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1689224/f188af4e5e/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1307636/e54c0e2bf5/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1281276/ba604290fe/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1298110/07336690ba/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1528532/7c1ca8e3cc/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/702118/c4f12a9634/ (note: common but not always present element of nurse outfit)
http://ehentaihip.com/g/759245/52f241e9fc/ (male, few other galleries with luffy show him with hat tooi, but it is rather rare)
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1343835/b0c9c37d4c/ (another male with prominent hat, it appears here and there during h-scene)
http://ehentaihip.com/g/107976/65de9e141b/ (definetly m:hat here)
http://ehentaihip.com/g/920648/58145803d7/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/421779/ee7f5951c9/ (overlap with witch costume?)
http://ehentaihip.com/g/868171/c35e31ef55/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1619313/6116fa94fc/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/256378/85857ee6e2/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/327061/c8092420ba/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/137041/4b59799440/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1679389/c73dcccb30/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1690896/596eb15ca3/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1686927/179dcd56f4/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1593054/9a097e46a5/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1636900/15599ffe64/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1005144/40f5c71550/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1616431/ebbcee3b7f/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1537428/fe97f1e694/ (partial overlap with santa)
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1052731/cd250f697b/ (crown?)
http://ehentaihip.com/g/484083/bcf3975d4d/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/352853/460eaae917/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1004965/345c08f540/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/942960/5b51bc32ee/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1425133/1cbb2e5d64/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/815353/0bd5875ff7/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1639564/ebec3f9574/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1151100/db34a5c38a/ (small/crown)
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1060243/43fb743511/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1174701/ab7984cf1e/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1552870/66853b48e1/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/554270/bc6a095543/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1571606/0373e1e317/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1558307/c99dc62d3c/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1090477/d66d2bc7e1/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/935942/acc254ce2f/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1239988/b7bdd261a6/ (nurse and policewoman example)
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1352313/f776b30f94/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1338217/9a7987ea7e/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1431102/8f7141743c/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1237144/c74697a0db/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1668455/d286b7d310/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1324096/62e2bc0965/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/290150/cfe377e7f9/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/17712/876b09f157/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/267362/5644a7c606/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/17475/c2c8603c90/
http://ehentaihip.com/?f_cats=1013&f_sea...+employee%24%22

http://ehentaihip.com/g/1206744/3a9d3e5fc2/ maybe?
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1003965/af91889290/ better known from this gate character
http://ehentaihip.com/g/873815/261f1390f6/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1061987/175d996a95/

http://ehentaihip.com/g/1455617/83ee8c8759/ (probably??)

http://ehentaihip.com/g/1122647/8b6a79270e/ - is this a hat, a hoodie or what?

Comments:
*partial overlap with nurse, witch, Christmas, nun and maybe others, but obviously broader, and there are nurses and such which don't wear a hat during sex. (According to our wiki hat is right now mentioned only as a part of uniform for kindergarten uniform, pirate and witch). Anyway, I think hat is a much better tag, it is sometimes hard to be sure if someone is a witch or whatever, but a hat is a hat.
* other somewhat relevant tags we have: https://ehwiki.org/wiki/hood , https://ehwiki.org/wiki/tiara and https://ehwiki.org/wiki/crown
* as a catch all, this gets a bit weird with some of the final examples, however. I mean, it's hentai anime land, there's probably a girl that is wearing an octopus on her haid somewhere...
* I have no opinion at present whether it makes sense to split specific types of hats, if anyone cares to propose specific hat tags examples with the presence they can always do so later. I considered [en.wikipedia.org] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wimple but it is probably should be just grouped under nun. There are also berets, baseball caps, helmets, but... are they fetishes? Shrug. Let's take it easy

Oh, and I actually did propose a helmet tag last week.

Bottom line, I am unsure if all examples above should be tagged hat (most are ok except some edge cases), but it is clear all should be tagged somehow. At worst, we will need a few supporting tags for weirder headware (don't blame me, this started when someone suggested and approved the crown and tiara tags...).

This post has been edited by Red_Piotrus: Aug 5 2020, 15:54

Not going to let this one linger; denied with prejudice. Way too generic and not a fetish. Every other existing tag is more of a status/professional symbol (royalty, witchcraft, etc.)

I think on the final comments re:crown/tiara:

There's probably an argument to be made for consolidating those two tags.

I don't think the goal of tags on here is to have a nested tag system (e.g. [vndb.org] clothes -> [vndb.org] headwear -> [vndb.org] crown -> [vndb.org] circlet) like on VNDB, so I don't think crown being a tag necessitates a hat/headwear tag.

To be fair:

There is not really a clearly defined goal for tags on EHentai. It's not simply fetish or sexual interest based, otherwise we would have the most popular fetish tag on any other hentai website (vanilla). Or we would demarcate between similarly named but differently themed fetishes (netorare vs netori). It's not simply appearance based or we wouldn't have tags that designate a relationship (teacher).

And beyond that, there is an entire category of tag for costume. I don't think a hat tag is helpful but it's certainly not outside of the unclear goals of the system.

not a fetish

Now, that's something I take issue with. There's a number of publicly available sources of information that indicate it is a fetish.

[en.wikipedia.org] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing_fetish has a bunch of stuff we haven't done yet, perhaps because some of it itsn't popular in Japan (furs?).

Urban dictionary has [www.urbandictionary.com] https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hatrosexual

And yes, urban dictionary is not always serious, but a concept of "hat fetish" or "sexual attraction to hats" is out there in academic works, books and newspapers.

[books.google.com] https://books.google.com/books?id=n3hqAAAAM...Q6AEwBXoECAAQAg "Fetishes tend to be articles of clothing , such as female underclothing , highheeled shoes, boots, hats , and handkerchiefs"
[books.google.com] https://books.google.com/books?id=_-1gDwAAQ...Q6AEwBHoECAUQAg "Anything in the world can be eroticized – shoes, stockings, fur, hats, smoking women who play with balloons"
[books.google.com] https://books.google.com/books?id=CDosAwAAQ...Q6AEwAHoECAIQAg "he begins the account of men's hats by saying that Freud implies the wearing of hats is a 'phallic gesture'"
[books.google.com] https://books.google.com/books?id=NhtOAQAAI...Q6AEwBnoECAcQAg "Fetislrism is the use of inanimate objects, such as shoes, fur, underwear, or hats, to obtain sexual pleasure"
[books.google.com] https://books.google.com/books?id=ZL1YAAAAM...Q6AEwCHoECAEQAg "This also applies to hats and gloves , which have been widely used as fetishes"
[books.google.com] https://books.google.com/books?id=5YNcAAAAM...hDoATACegQIAxAC "For a fascinating account of the sexual symbolism of hats, see Briony Fer (1993), 'The hat, the hoax, the body', in K. Adler"
[www.google.com] https://www.google.com/search?q=sexual+feti...871&dpr=1.1 "Hats and shoes are classic fetish symbols"
[books.google.coml] https://books.google.coml/books?id=GxlmDQAA...Q6AEwA3oECAEQAg "We've seen Miyazaki's hat fetish before. Hats are constantly coming off, getting switched around and put on other heads. Hats function as markers of identity or personality. When Nausicaä loses her helmet it symbolizes shedding her false"
[www.thecut.com] https://www.thecut.com/2017/08/if-youve-nev...ishing-you.html
[www.mantality.co.za] https://www.mantality.co.za/blog/mens-hats.html

You can buy sexy hats, just google for 'buy fetish hats' or such
[www.etsy.com] https://www.etsy.com/market/fetish_hat
[www.spreadshirt.net] https://www.spreadshirt.net/sexuality+caps+&+hats
[www.cafepress.com] https://www.cafepress.com/+sexual-attraction+baseball-hats

One thing is clear from my research. Hats are definitely a fetish for some people.

denied with prejudice

Barring any clarification from 10b, I don't think that there's a system in place for tag suggestions to be denied outright. Please allow for a discussion and voting process as normal.

Every other existing tag is more of a status/professional symbol (royalty, witchcraft, etc.)

And your "drill hair" or "afro" tags are a... what, exactly? Do explain to us how "drill hair" are a "status/professional symbol". C'mon, this is a site that has a tag for pegasus, out of all things...

This post has been edited by Red_Piotrus: Aug 5 2020, 14:49

Wait, why is this thread hidden from others? I got a PM from someone who asked me why *I* deleted it since they wanted to comment here and it is gone (obviously I didn't)... what is going on? Forum burp?

This post has been edited by Red_Piotrus: Aug 5 2020, 14:57

If it passes presence rule I don't see a problem with having it, it's as generic as the glasses tag goes. But not as broad as headgear - anything put on the head. So it has my tentative support.

On overlapping with being part of costumes, I think if other pieces of clothing that make up the costume passes presence one would tag it as the costume and not this one.

Or... this would probably signal to start thinking on splitting up the costume type into subtypes and give room for more specific garments tags.

I think hat itself it too generic. It does not have my support

No support here.

Not really a fetish IMO. And it is usually taken off anyways. So no real presence.

I think hat itself it too generic.

Not really a fetish IMO.

^

seriously, i don’t see the point of this tag, other than giving the toplist chasers yet another mean to realize their power fantasy.

This post has been edited by PrincessKaguya: Aug 7 2020, 10:12

Wait, why is this thread hidden from others?

I had trouble finding the thread as well, because the topic is so generic.

If it passes presence rule I don't see a problem with having it, it's as generic as the glasses tag goes. But not as broad as headgear - anything put on the head.

But hat still isn't a fetish. Wearing panties as headgear would be a fetish (although pantsu aren't hats). In general, if it isn't a fetish type of personal accessory or fetish clothing, all types of wearables should try to at least cross the line from clothing/accessory into being a fetish item.

There's already so many tags out there I cannot remember many of them, and consequently don't even tag them although the presence rule might be met for it.

I suggest that simply satisfying the Presence rule should not be the first criteria necessary to even start the conversation about being a tag. It should be a 2nd tier consideration. The first tier questions to be satisfied should be something like:

FIRST TIER:
{a} Is it a mainstream fetish item? OR
{b} ... is it a technical situation such as "Replaced", "Forbidden" OR
{c} ... is it a technical publication consideration such as "novel", "story arc", "anthology" OR
{d} ... is it a technical consideration such as "camera/phone scan", "poor grammar" OR
{e} .... etcetera

SECOND TIER:
{a} Is this proposed tag capable of meeting Presence Rule in ALL situations it is used? If not, then it is a niche idea or meme and thus rejected.
{b} Is this proposed tag already present in at least 25 galleries spanning multiple years and different authors (at least 3 years and 5 different authors) with sufficient presence in each case? Please list these galleries.

This post has been edited by Anime Janai: Aug 8 2020, 04:41

If it passes presence rule I don't see a problem with having it, it's as generic as the glasses tag goes. But not as broad as headgear - anything put on the head. So it has my tentative support.

A character having hair is essentially guaranteed to pass presence, I don't think that would make it tag worthy.

A character having hair is essentially guaranteed to pass presence, I don't think that would make it tag worthy.

Exactly, one would expect hair but not something wear on the top of the head to have that much visual continuity, like having CFNM/CMNF in a gallery be it x or y type of clothing surrounding the naked character. Heck, casually (And this in just a chit chat scenario) I'd dare to say a touhou character w/o her hat isn't really her.

Not trying to diminish how generic the tag is, but having some specific headgear tags signal a fetish with the broad category cover or use on the top of the head itself that may benefit those who already search for the specific things. Even when it is indeed a broad tag.

I enjoy the baseball cap and the bearskin hat, even when I doubt the later can be found, but not gonna suggest them, and this was just a gateway for them.

Regardless, the world, the site and my coffee are still great without the tag now, so no biggie

What is the utility of a "hat" tag anyways. This tag isn't like "big breasts" where if you have it, users will come to use it.

And if that tag did exist, would ALL users actually be able to use it? A tag that can't be used by a major subset of our audience is almost the same thing as the tag not existing for that audience. Neophyte users may type into the search box:
hat
"hat"
hat$

But they won't get a reasonable list of results for hat because an overwhelming number of romaji words have "hat" in them not to mention names like hatsune miku. So, the value of a hat tag is mostly in galleries that already have a hat tag in them or in the case of not-baby but still not-veteran users who will search for a tag by typing in a tag in any gallery. Of course, they hopefully delete that tag after they are done searching for other galleries with that tag.

Therefore, the value of a "hat" tag is severely reduced simply because most users don't have the search box option in the "Advanced Options" list for a checkbox titled "exact match". If the neophyte user typed "hat" and then clicked this checkbox, then it would return hat tag results and not inundate the user with hatsune miku. Until then, the value of a hat tag is less than it could be.

Few thoughts.

First, I agree that hat should only count for presence if it is kept during h-scenes (outside non-h, of course, which is its own world...).

As for search, I don't see a problem: f:hat
If a user doesn't know how to use advanced search, it is their problem.

But in all honesty, hat is not MY fetish. This thread can wait until someone who has a hat fetish decides to delurk. I just don't get why there is so much opposition to this tag where others, much more obviously 'not a fetish' type-tags, like pegasus, drill hair, or my own hood have passed with little if any objections.

I'll buy you a virtual coffee if you can explain to me why 'hood' or 'drill hair' are ok here but 'hat' is not.

Few thoughts.

First, I agree that hat should only count for presence if it is kept during h-scenes (outside non-h, of course, which is its own world...).

As for search, I don't see a problem: f:hat
If a user doesn't know how to use advanced search, it is their problem.

But in all honesty, hat is not MY fetish. This thread can wait until someone who has a hat fetish decides to delurk. I just don't get why there is so much opposition to this tag where others, much more obviously 'not a fetish' type-tags, like pegasus, drill hair, or my own hood have passed with little if any objections.

I'll buy you a virtual coffee if you can explain to me why 'hood' or 'drill hair' are ok here but 'hat' is not.

Just doing a quick search out of curiosity. There's a few "I have a hat fetish" "My husband has a hat fetsh" etc posts I can find. Every one I have checked so far has then had the condition of "sports hats" and "certain types of hats" etc. I'm sure I could find it if I looked hard enough, but generally everyone has a preference. I don't believe (outside of a very small minority) that hat itself is a fetish item, but specific headwear is.

Having specific headwear is far more useful than a generic catch all. With your proposed def, you'd get crowns/tiaras/ribbons/etc under hat too, depending on how you interpret "covering"

I'll buy you a virtual coffee if you can explain to me why 'hood' or 'drill hair' are ok here but 'hat' is not.

Types of hair or headwear are fetishes, simply having hair or wearing something on your head isn't.

Certain varieties of clothes are fetishes, simply wearing clothes isn't.

Type: Costume / Visual
Description: a head covering which is worn for various reasons (warmth, fashion, uniform, etc.).

Does improvised headgear count as a hat when it is worn like a hat? A significant example of this is worn by the two girls in this gallery:
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1703720/f92550f541/

The flower crown is a well-established thing, though I'd only count it as a "hat" for tagging purposes if crown and tiara get lumped in(which I would be against).

I think on the final comments re:crown/tiara:

There's probably an argument to be made for consolidating those two tags.

I don't think the goal of tags on here is to have a nested tag system (e.g. [vndb.org] clothes -> [vndb.org] headwear -> [vndb.org] crown -> [vndb.org] circlet) like on VNDB, so I don't think crown being a tag necessitates a hat/headwear tag.

To be fair:

There is not really a clearly defined goal for tags on EHentai. It's not simply fetish or sexual interest based, otherwise we would have the most popular fetish tag on any other hentai website (vanilla). Or we would demarcate between similarly named but differently themed fetishes (netorare vs netori). It's not simply appearance based or we wouldn't have tags that designate a relationship (teacher).

And beyond that, there is an entire category of tag for costume. I don't think a hat tag is helpful but it's certainly not outside of the unclear goals of the system.

thats true, but probably the most difficult is make a correct definition that have relation whit sex